I've set it to 70% master gain when playing DCS. With 100% there was some creaking noises coming fro

I've set it to 70% master gain when playing DCS. With 100% there was some creaking noises coming from the adapters/base (I'm using 150mm extension and WW adapter + grip) and I was worried something might break. In MSFS I use 80-90%, because you usually get the max forces only in high airspeed situations.

SSimonster83 I've set it to 70% master gain when playing DCS. With 100% there was some creaki...

Hiob•11/28/24, 7:24 AM

I see. Personally I would rather create dedicated profiles and let them load by TelemFFB.
So but your real questions boils down than to „how are your gain settings for DCS“, no?
Because ultimately it doesn’t matter if you achieve your effective gain by poti or by any other setting.
The math is „effects settings or game“ times „master gain“ times „master spring gain“ times „potentiometer“. So if either one of those is set to 20% e.g. the overall maximum gain is 20%.
I choose spring as an example here, because that is really the only one you need to worry about, because it causes by far the biggest forces.
I have set Master Gain to 100% all the time but (Settings-)Spring Gain is usually at around 50% with a slightly steepend curve (would translate to something like 60-70% with a straight curve).
Have a look one the telemetry and check how many amps are drawn at max reflection. it doesn’t make much sense if you reach the maximum before reaching the end of throw.
My Potentiometers (I have two) are set to Spring and Friction and usually only use them on helicopters to fine tune the cyclic.

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HHiob I see. Personally I would rather create dedicated profiles and let them load by ...

asut•11/28/24, 10:49 AM

Maybe you can share you profile for fixed wing plane, please.

Aasut Maybe you can share you profile for fixed wing plane, please.

Hiob•11/28/24, 10:54 AM

I don’t think that would be of much value to you since every setup is different (extension length, grip type, upper body strength and preference), but I outlined my approach to get to a good basis setup here:

📃general

Hiob•11/28/24, 10:59 AM

Hiob•11/28/24, 11:00 AM

Those are my basic settings for fixed wing. Mind that Static force and balancing spring are very specific to my grip and extension.

Hiob•11/28/24, 11:01 AM

I put a slight curve to the spring gain to make the spring a bit more responsive towards the middle position. Works better imho than the "adaptive recentering" alone.

HHiob Those are my basic settings for fixed wing. Mind that Static force and balancing...

asut•11/28/24, 12:00 PM

Thank you, and what about spring dynamics? You use it?

Aasut Thank you, and what about spring dynamics? You use it?

Hiob•11/28/24, 12:22 PM

What do you mean? You mean Static vs. Dynamic Spring in TelemFFB?

Hiob•11/28/24, 12:22 PM

I use dynamic spring usually. (aka spring forces are controlled by the game)

Aasut Thank you, and what about spring dynamics? You use it?

Hiob•11/28/24, 12:23 PM

Ah, you mean the option in VP config…. no I don’t use that.

HHiob Ah, you mean the option in VP config…. no I don’t use that.

asut•11/28/24, 12:24 PM

Yeah, that's right, I got it.

walmis•11/28/24, 2:23 PM

Testing a GIM8108-8 1:8 gear motor with VPforce controller:
Pros:
Lots of torque at 1Nm/A
Cons:
Noisy, sounds like a stepper motor. But the feel isn't too bad.

walmis•11/28/24, 2:23 PM

According to datasheet it can peak at about 22Nm

walmis•11/28/24, 2:24 PM

I managed to break the lever arm at 10Nm

VPforceBot•11/28/24, 2:30 PM

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Arno•11/28/24, 2:30 PM

I think something like that is on the roll axis of my flitesim.com yoke. slight cogging.

Arno•11/28/24, 2:31 PM

they use the xiaomi cybergear I think

walmis•11/28/24, 2:32 PM

yeah it's very similar to this one

yzhanping•11/28/24, 2:34 PM

CalVRsimer•11/28/24, 6:23 PM

Is there a good tutorial video on how to properly set the different trim functionality the Rhino has to offer?
I see video showcasing the trim but nothing on how to properly set it up, thanks!

B34ker•11/28/24, 6:42 PM

Anyone know how to properly setup the Trim Following and/or AP following in MSFS 2024?

I tried the trim following feature in the 172, configuring it as described in the manual, until the trim causes no change in the pitch (at cruise speed, with no spring and high damper)… then when I turn on the AP, it can’t hold level flight, and just pitches up and down continuously… is there something I missed in configuration steps? Right now, I can only get it to fly normally with AP by turning both Trim and AP following off.

CCalVRsimer Is there a good tutorial video on how to properly set the different trim functio...

Hiob•11/28/24, 7:28 PM

Just the same as you would in the sim. Press the function you want to assign and then press the button you want it assigned too. There is force trim release, reset and directional trim. With the first button, you press and hold to move the stick around and it will stay where you release the button again, with the second button you reset that trimmed position to the physical neutral point again. the other four are classical trim buttons which will increment offset the stick in the according direction. Usually though, those functions will be provided by the sim and you don’t need to apply the option in the config. But it can be necessary or preferable occasionally. I mostly (exclusively actually) use them for cyclic trim in helicopters.

BB34ker Anyone know how to properly setup the Trim Following and/or AP following in MSFS...

Dracks•11/28/24, 7:33 PM

Have you set bindings in MSFS? Have you set the "hardware trim" option in VP configurator? TELEMFFB configured? If so, then you should be able to trim your plane/helicopter.
I haven't tried all models, but most are ok with these options (msfs). For DCS, you have native FFB (for certain machine models).

Dracks•11/28/24, 7:36 PM

Ah little edit: the pitch trim seems not as good (bug?) as lateral (yaw) trim. I noticed this on the H145/160 but it wasn't obvious. Maybe server bugs (???)

Dracks•11/28/24, 7:40 PM

Oh, and check for double bindings. Some devices have preconfigured bindings (honeycomb) and you might be bothered by that.

Dracks•11/28/24, 7:43 PM

And check Hiob's above post

BB34ker Anyone know how to properly setup the Trim Following and/or AP following in MSFS...

Number481•11/29/24, 2:31 AM

what number did you end up at? Cruising at 110kt the default Physical=%100, Virtual=%20 seems pretty close already. You have to add a bunch of trim to get the nose to move significantly while holding the stick in a static position.

The AP seems to be behaving fine as well.

Do make sure you don't have axis bindings configured in the sim (or other external tool like SPAD). TelemFFB needs to be the sole source of the axis position to MSFS for things to work right.

NNumber481 what number did you end up at? Cruising at 110kt the default Physical=%100, Vir...

B34ker•11/29/24, 2:38 AM

Yeah I found I had to go down a bit, I was using Virtual=8%. Yes I have nothing bound for the Rhino in the sim. Looks good in terms of trim and AP following, but I was just get constant oscillations, like it was instantly over correcting.

This was last night though, and I eventually gave up and turned it off, but I can check and test again in a few hours.

Unrelated, but I find that the controls themselves are really quite twitchy in the sim, and and I haven’t figured out if there’s a way to set curves to alleviate this.

BB34ker Yeah I found I had to go down a bit, I was using Virtual=8%. Yes I have nothing...

Number481•11/29/24, 3:27 AM

There's no curves, but you can adjust the axis scaling. %80, for example, would mean that full excursion of the physical axis would only result in %80 throw in the sim

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Spitfire ZX•11/29/24, 2:38 PM

wow that's a lot of Rhinos

Swoop•11/29/24, 4:53 PM

Has anyone got a good profile for the f16? Trying to simulate the pressure sensing but not sure the best way to do it.

PapaMiraculi•11/30/24, 8:47 AM

Is there an issue with VPforceBot?
VPforceBot doesn't show any updates on my reservation anymore when using the info email command. Last update was over two weeks ago, and it said approx. 24 days.

m2times_•11/30/24, 10:44 AM

its just how it is

m2times_•11/30/24, 10:44 AM

its one man doing everything manually

m2times_•11/30/24, 10:44 AM

not a big company that has stuff automated

Horizon•11/30/24, 12:12 PM

Algorithm got changed to be an estimated number rather then an actual number, it’s in your favour though

Alighierian•11/30/24, 12:36 PM

I guess this version is (primarily) looking at the S/N, rather than specific # of rhinos pending.
I.e.: It changes whenever he updates the list for dropouts/no-shows/etc.

Before I had to have mine pushed back/paused, the tracking was as follows on my end:
28.10: 125 rhinos, S/N #0954
31.10 (after swap to algorithm): ~37 to go (~23 days), #0954
04.11, 06.11, and 11.11 had the same '~37 to go', #0954
18.11: ~8 to go (~5 days), #0856

PapaMiraculi•11/30/24, 1:20 PM

Ok thanks. I'm just dying to get mine (as you can imagine I guess).

Wwalmis Testing a GIM8108-8 1:8 gear motor with VPforce controller: Pros: Lots of torq...

Red Magic•11/30/24, 1:37 PM

I don't mind noise. I think most people play with headphones anyways. Is this something planned for later, or one of those little curiosity things

Bob Bushman•11/30/24, 2:44 PM

Think my chair creaks more than that...

BOO•12/1/24, 7:49 AM

Asking again but is there anyway the Rhino can use oldsytle DX FFB. Aware Number481 said there was an absence of telemetry in CloD but there was FFB. Seems a shame a £5 charity shop Sidewinder works but an £800 state of the art unit doesnt. The FF Beast manual alludes to that unit being able to use DX FFB.

BBOO Asking again but is there anyway the Rhino can use oldsytle DX FFB. Aware Number...

walmis•12/1/24, 12:21 PM

DX FFB works on the Rhino, but CloD probably has some quirky/broken implementation that needs workarounds like the War Thunder did

Wwalmis DX FFB works on the Rhino, but CloD probably has some quirky/broken implementati...

BOO•12/1/24, 12:48 PM

THanks for the reply Walmis. I realise there are about 6 people left in the world interested in the title but is there any hope for the Rhino? I also dont undertand whyt the Sidewinder works but things like the Rhino and Beast dont.

I've set it to 70% master gain when playing DCS. With 100% there was some creaking noises coming fro

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