It appears that my experience of having no FFB in Cliff of Dover is not universal and others are rep

It appears that my experience of having no FFB in Cliff of Dover is not universal and others are reporting that it works as expected even without the configuarator or telem running. Can anyone else confirm or perhaps point to something obvious that I'm missing. I should add that the rhino seems to work fine in other titles. Thanks

rmax•12/20/24, 1:27 PM

I am still having issues with my stick. The DC plug is in place. It was sitting there, nothing happening (but on of course) and suddenly the stick powered down so I don't believe that it is the DC power. The USB port is a little wobbly, but a different error occurs when the USB plug is pulled out, so I don't believe that it is a USB fault or hub fault. Log below attached. Any ideas?

rmax•12/20/24, 1:28 PM

[08:50:45.451] Motor Y timeout
[08:50:45.452] Motor X timeout
[08:50:48.724] Motor X active
[08:50:48.725] Motor Y active
[08:50:49.245] Motor Y Status: FAULT_UNDERVOLTAGE
[08:50:49.246] Motor X Status: FAULT_UNDERVOLTAGE
[08:50:49.650] Motor X timeout
[08:50:49.675] Motor Y timeout
[08:50:50.928] Motor Y active
[08:50:50.928] Motor X active
[08:50:51.085] Motor Y Status: FAULT_UNDERVOLTAGE
[08:50:51.086] Motor X Status: FAULT_UNDERVOLTAGE
[08:50:51.249] Motor X timeout
[08:50:51.252] Motor Y timeout
[08:50:51.675] Motor Y active
[08:50:51.677] Motor X active
[08:50:52.131] Motor Y Status: FAULT_UNDERVOLTAGE
[08:50:52.132] Motor X Status: FAULT_UNDERVOLTAGE
[08:50:52.525] Motor X timeout
[08:50:52.547] Motor Y timeout
[08:50:53.880] Motor Y active
[08:50:53.883] Motor X active
[09:19:09.105] Reset
[09:19:09.105] FFB_RemoveAllEffects
[09:39:58.080] Motor X Status: FAULT_UNDERVOLTAGE
[09:39:58.080] Motor Y Status: FAULT_UNDERVOLTAGE
[09:39:58.242] Motor X timeout
[09:39:58.249] Motor Y timeout

rmax•12/20/24, 1:28 PM

[12:51:26.512] Motor Y active
[12:51:26.513] Motor X active
[12:51:26.803] Motor Y Status: FAULT_UNDERVOLTAGE
[12:51:26.804] Motor X Status: FAULT_UNDERVOLTAGE
[12:51:26.963] Motor X timeout
[12:51:26.967] Motor Y timeout
[12:51:27.986] Motor Y active
[12:51:27.986] Motor X active
[12:51:28.486] Motor Y Status: FAULT_UNDERVOLTAGE
[12:51:28.490] Motor X Status: FAULT_UNDERVOLTAGE
[12:51:28.893] Motor X timeout
[12:51:28.911] Motor Y timeout
[12:51:30.180] Motor Y active
[12:51:30.182] Motor X active
[12:51:33.203] Motor Y Status: FAULT_UNDERVOLTAGE
[12:51:33.203] Motor X Status: FAULT_UNDERVOLTAGE
[12:51:33.363] Motor X timeout
[12:51:33.367] Motor Y timeout
[12:51:34.411] Motor Y active
[12:51:34.413] Motor X active
[12:51:34.915] Motor Y Status: FAULT_UNDERVOLTAGE
[12:51:34.923] Motor X Status: FAULT_UNDERVOLTAGE
[12:51:35.314] Motor X timeout
[12:51:35.327] Motor Y timeout
[12:51:36.613] Motor Y active
[12:51:36.614] Motor X active
[12:53:58.311] Reset
[12:53:58.312] FFB_RemoveAllEffects
[12:53:58.313] Stop All Effects
[12:53:58.315] Device Gain: 255
[13:09:58.537] Motor Y timeout
[13:09:58.538] Motor X timeout
[13:10:00.970] Motor Y Status: FAULT_UNDERVOLTAGE
[13:10:00.970] Motor Y active
[13:10:01.075] Motor Y timeout
[13:10:02.449] Motor Y active
[13:10:02.450] Motor X active
[13:10:02.935] Motor Y Status: FAULT_UNDERVOLTAGE
[13:10:02.937] Motor X Status: FAULT_UNDERVOLTAGE
[13:10:03.337] Motor X timeout
[13:10:03.357] Motor Y timeout
[13:10:04.653] Motor Y active
[13:10:04.654] Motor X active
[13:20:09.330] Reset
[13:20:09.330] FFB_RemoveAllEffects

kaltokri•12/20/24, 2:20 PM

Try the following things one by one:

Disable Power Management for USB connected Devices
Connect Rhino directly to a USB on the mainboard
Try another psu. I suggest Meanwell 350/24. Best psu for Rhino imho.

Dracks•12/20/24, 4:55 PM

Hello pilots! A few questions for those who have the Rhino on rudder pedals.

I'm having trouble finding an optimal setting on the Fenix A3xx series. I have the impression that everything is empty as if 0 resistance didn't apply...everything else about planes and helicopters seems "realistic" (at least in my vision) but for the Fenix, I seem to have 0 sensation.
Would you have any recommendations for settings or effects to prioritize for the rudders of Airliners?

Dracks•12/20/24, 4:55 PM

(maybe a Fenix problem ?)

Rrmax [12:51:26.512] Motor Y active [12:51:26.513] Motor X active [12:51:26.803] Motor...

walmis•12/20/24, 5:43 PM

Yeah, this is indeed strange. I see both motors throw an undervoltage fault and restart after 1 second. Seems like it could be a power supply issue. If you have a spare laptop supply 12-20V with a 5.5/2.5 DC jack you could give it a try to isolate the issue. But the 1 second delay after motor timeout strongly suggests a PSU restart after some sort of internal fault.

RRed Magic is there a way to get rid of this

FuturPaladin [FR/2A]☨•12/20/24, 5:44 PM

any luck yet ?

Wwalmis Yeah, this is indeed strange. I see both motors throw an undervoltage fault and ...

rmax•12/20/24, 5:45 PM

That could be scrabbling around for the reset as I hurtle earthwards. Good tip on the power supply thanss for the specs.

FFuturPaladin [FR/2A]☨any luck yet ?

Red Magic•12/20/24, 5:54 PM

Red Magic•12/20/24, 5:55 PM

Most of the time it comes up it can be closed but there are occasions when it just locks up and the only way to kill the popup is a PC reboot

FuturPaladin [FR/2A]☨•12/20/24, 5:55 PM

that's odd

BBOO It appears that my experience of having no FFB in Cliff of Dover is not universa...

Number481•12/20/24, 7:48 PM

Try this. I used to think IL-2 (GB) had a bad/wonky FFB implementation... CLoD said "hold my beer".

I invested $2.49 to buy the game this morning out of an abundance of curiosity to see if I could figure out CLoD FFB. The above link is what I have added to the Rhino manual that should get it working. At least, its what I had to do to get it working.

NNumber481 Try [this](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1YL5DLkiTxlaNx_zKHEYSs25PjmGtQ6_WZ...

BOOOP•12/20/24, 9:24 PM

Thank you! I've packed away for the evening but its sounds promising. I appreciate you taking the time to investigate!

BOOOP•12/20/24, 10:02 PM

I've posted some appreicate and shameless promotion of VP and your work and efforts around the forums various that I haunt.

Spatz•12/20/24, 10:15 PM

hello long time no see ^^ i have a question is Falcon BMS supported by the rhino?

Icebeat•12/20/24, 10:19 PM

Hi @walmis, the usb connector of my Rhino kit, is connecting and disconnecting randomly, is it possible to buy a replace or have a link to a similar component? Thanks

BBOO Thank you! I've packed away for the evening but its sounds promising. I appreci...

Number481•12/21/24, 12:54 AM

The "answer" is already documented... sort of... just poorly and out of date. In the games manual/troubleshooting guide (pg54 in my copy) there is a section about using the devreorder tool. In there it mentions force feedback... but it's not really obvious that this part of the troubleshooting section is talking about fixing the enumeration issue. It also says to use the 32 bit DLL. I spent a good hour or two trying different things and could not get it to recognize the new device ordering. Then I noticed the exe is

Launcher64

Launcher64

so I thought to try the 64 bit DLL.. it worked.

My "test" mostly consisted of starting up the "first solo" training mission and making sure the game started a spring with 0 gain on the right device. I did briefly do an air start and saw I had spring force and felt some stall buffeting.

I don't know what other FFB gremlins may exist in the title.

NNumber481 🤘 The "answer" is already documented... sort of... just poorly and out of date...

BOOOP•12/21/24, 8:27 AM

Oh there are many, many gremlins

like firing cannon, droppig bombs and your AI gunners firing all cut the spring FFB until you drop below 320 km/h where it renegages. or no FFB at all on spawn in. All for the devs to look at again now FFB is back in fashion. Removing VJoy from my PC and only having the Rhino connected worked (as predicted). I will suggest TFS look at the Rhino manual and edit their troubleshooting. Thank you again for jumoing on this. I realise Clod is not a popular title.

BOOOP•12/21/24, 1:24 PM

All of the above, by the way, is fixable with a little 30 second, pre session flight and a small "voodoo" routine. https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/33014-adjusting-force-feedback-in-cliffs-of-dover-blitz/page/2/

IL-2 Sturmovik Forum

Adjusting Force Feedback in CLIFFS OF DOVER - BLITZ

Wyber Boyes•12/21/24, 4:32 PM

I've have got ffb working in BMS with another base but haven't tried the rhino yet (only got it a few days ago). You have to add a [ to the first line of the feedback.ini file so it looks like this [EffectData]. HAve a read through this thread: https://forum.falcon-bms.com/topic/28078/force-feedback-supported/6?_=1723363646322

Falcon BMS Forum

Force Feedback supported?

@airtex2019 If we are talking about FFB that has been integrated into the USB HID spec since the days of moving FFB away from joy ports and midi. Shared mem ...

Boo Berry•12/21/24, 7:17 PM

Hello all, i did an update for the first time since I received my rhino mid March 2024 and Im not really happy with the update v1.0.17b. The things that changed in feeling are the spring force and some little control bump that happens while flying. The spring force used to get so tight at 100% that I would never adjust the red knob that high but now I can and it feels less stiff. The second issue is as Im flying and turning there will be this little bump in the stick at which the force/push back drops back in resistance and then returns to normal. I didn't have any problems prior to doing an update. is there a way to go back to my original software that was in the stick when i got it or what can i change to make it back to the original feeling?

Cynemi•12/21/24, 7:36 PM

My stick keeps crashing and stops working mid flight. Everything is updated, what can I do to try to fix this?

CCynemi My stick keeps crashing and stops working mid flight. Everything is updated, wha...

Dracks•12/21/24, 9:55 PM

What do you call "crashing" ?

Dracks•12/21/24, 9:56 PM

What's say the debug message ?

DDracks What's say the debug message ?

Cynemi•12/21/24, 9:56 PM

How do you check this?

DDracks What do you call "crashing" ?

Cynemi•12/21/24, 9:56 PM

Stick dies, goes limp, inputs stop

CCynemi How do you check this?

Dracks•12/21/24, 9:57 PM

Debug page in vpforce configurator

Dracks•12/21/24, 9:58 PM

Its could be a power issue or a setting

Dracks•12/21/24, 9:59 PM

🧰support

Dracks•12/21/24, 9:59 PM

You can check here

Cynemi•12/21/24, 10:00 PM

Sound strange tho, Im using the psu that came with it, and modest settings, very close to default

Cynemi•12/21/24, 10:01 PM

debug page is empty for now, I guess I have to check when it happens

Dracks•12/21/24, 10:01 PM

Yep

Dracks•12/21/24, 10:02 PM

I'm not in front of my pc but you have the log too (check the manual for "how to")

Cynemi•12/21/24, 10:02 PM

Cynemi•12/21/24, 10:04 PM

So you cant do it retractivly when ti happens? Beucase its very unpredicatble. Maybe once every two hours, and happens both with full force on stick and minimal force in cruise

CCynemi So you cant do it retractivly when ti happens? Beucase its very unpredicatble. M...

Dracks•12/21/24, 10:06 PM

From memory you can "start" a "log mode" in vp config. Me: i start the config when I play (and had issues) then it's already in the soft

Dracks•12/21/24, 10:06 PM

It's 2 different thing

Dracks•12/21/24, 10:07 PM

The debug page (1) and the logs

Dracks•12/21/24, 10:07 PM

Others could answer with better precision

Dracks•12/21/24, 10:09 PM

But if you loose the power (motor fault in the debug page) it's a power issue (not just your psu but other sources too) or a settings (Considering what you're describing, probably not that)

Mack•12/26/24, 4:47 AM

hey - i recently updated the firmware on the rhnio and now i'm having osme issues. i'm getting a pop up that my stick is detected and it wont go away. also, the usb event is causes my games to crash when it happens. i

Mack•12/26/24, 4:47 AM

is there a way to go back to the last firmware?

MMack hey - i recently updated the firmware on the rhnio and now i'm having osme issue...

LeLv30_Superbus•12/26/24, 8:55 AM

The pop up persistence is some kind of widget bug, a fix was found: 📃general
Sorry what USB event?

H145Rotor-Sims•12/27/24, 1:57 AM

Hi everyone, I found that when flying the H145 the collective should be allowed to operate without the trim release being pressed. It seems from what I've been told by an H145 engineer that you are able to manually override without the use of the trim release and that the more you pull the harder it gets because it's a spring that is getting twisted, when you let go it will automatically go back to the previous position. What settings would I need to dial in to emulate this both in the VP Config and TelemFFB?

HH145Rotor-Sims Hi everyone, I found that when flying the H145 the collective should be allowed ...

Number481•12/27/24, 2:09 AM

Start here in the manual and let me know what further questions you have.

Google Docs

VPforce Rhino Manual

VPforce RHINO FFB User Manual Version 0.81 (WIP) Table of Contents 1. Welcome 1 2. Getting Started 3 2.1. Technical Specifications 4 2.2. Physical Setup 5 2.2.1. The VKB Adapter 6 2.2.2. The WinWing Adapter 6 2.2.3. The RHINO Throw Limiter Adapters 7 2.3. Initial Connection and Updating ...

HH145Rotor-Sims Hi everyone, I found that when flying the H145 the collective should be allowed ...

milliganjr•12/27/24, 2:42 AM

The collective essentially replicates the cyclic is one axis. With trim release pressed it will be dampened but easy to move. When released the new center will be updated. You will have a spring force when pushing or pulling through the trimmed position and if you release pressure it will return to the previous position. The collective and cyclic should never be stiff, even with upper modes engaged.

Number481•12/27/24, 2:46 AM

the way the collective is modeled, it requires TR to manipulate. That was my understanding from @exil35 when I was developing the code initially.

NNumber481 Start [here in the manual](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1YL5DLkiTxlaNx_zKH...

H145Rotor-Sims•12/27/24, 2:47 AM

I've read through manual once again but I'm not finding the answer. What is see is "the trim release is required to operate the collective" I do not see any information about overpowering it without the use of the trim release button.
I'm also confused as to weather the force settings should be set in the VP Configurator or be zeroed out in vp Configuration and configured in telemffb with overrides?

It appears that my experience of having no FFB in Cliff of Dover is not universal and others are rep

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