otherwise the amount of abuse they would be receiving would be astronomical

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IdleOP•1/11/25, 11:30 AM

and just like you said, it's easy to get your ips blacklisted

IIdle otherwise the amount of abuse they would be receiving would be astronomical

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WTDawson9•1/11/25, 11:31 AM

Yeah, but there are other ways of doing that, like for instance what Oracle does with making you put a credit card in (Even on the free tier)

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IdleOP•1/11/25, 11:31 AM

I tried it once, gave up so fast :gophercrying:

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WTDawson9•1/11/25, 11:31 AM

Apple moment

WWTDawson9 That's sendgrids free tier, but when I tried to sign up they wanted things like ...

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Erisa•1/11/25, 11:32 AM

its extremely common to ask for address and even payment details for free services to avoid abuse

EErisa its extremely common to ask for address and even payment details for free servic...

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WTDawson9•1/11/25, 11:32 AM

Yeah, I do understand payment details

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Erisa•1/11/25, 11:32 AM

mostly because theres a million and one ways of running fraud checks on names/addresses and payment details

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WTDawson9•1/11/25, 11:33 AM

Yeah, I think it'd be easier to do it based on payment details mainly because people can just put in an address

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WTDawson9•1/11/25, 11:33 AM

I'm assuming that Cloudflare hosts their own email servers

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WTDawson9•1/11/25, 11:34 AM

notify.cloudflare.com

notify.cloudflare.com

notify.cloudflare.com

notify.cloudflare.com

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1.1.1.1APP•1/11/25, 11:34 AM

DNS over Discord: MX records

notify.cloudflare.com MX @1.1.1.1 +noall +answer

notify.cloudflare.com MX @1.1.1.1 +noall +answer

notify.cloudflare.com MX @1.1.1.1 +noall +answer

notify.cloudflare.com MX @1.1.1.1 +noall +answer

NAME                  | TTL  | DATA                     
----------------------+------+--------------------------
notify.cloudflare.com | 300s | 5 mailstream-canary.mxrec
                      |      | ord.io.                  
notify.cloudflare.com | 300s | 10 mailstream-east.mxreco
                      |      | rd.io.                   
notify.cloudflare.com | 300s | 10 mailstream-west.mxreco
                      |      | rd.io.                   
notify.cloudflare.com | 300s | 20 mailstream-central.mxr
                      |      | ecord.mx.

NAME                  | TTL  | DATA                     
----------------------+------+--------------------------
notify.cloudflare.com | 300s | 5 mailstream-canary.mxrec
                      |      | ord.io.                  
notify.cloudflare.com | 300s | 10 mailstream-east.mxreco
                      |      | rd.io.                   
notify.cloudflare.com | 300s | 10 mailstream-west.mxreco
                      |      | rd.io.                   
notify.cloudflare.com | 300s | 20 mailstream-central.mxr
                      |      | ecord.mx.

NAME                  | TTL  | DATA                     
----------------------+------+--------------------------
notify.cloudflare.com | 300s | 5 mailstream-canary.mxrec
                      |      | ord.io.                  
notify.cloudflare.com | 300s | 10 mailstream-east.mxreco
                      |      | rd.io.                   
notify.cloudflare.com | 300s | 10 mailstream-west.mxreco
                      |      | rd.io.                   
notify.cloudflare.com | 300s | 20 mailstream-central.mxr
                      |      | ecord.mx.

NAME                  | TTL  | DATA                     
----------------------+------+--------------------------
notify.cloudflare.com | 300s | 5 mailstream-canary.mxrec
                      |      | ord.io.                  
notify.cloudflare.com | 300s | 10 mailstream-east.mxreco
                      |      | rd.io.                   
notify.cloudflare.com | 300s | 10 mailstream-west.mxreco
                      |      | rd.io.                   
notify.cloudflare.com | 300s | 20 mailstream-central.mxr
                      |      | ecord.mx.

diggy diggy hole

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1/11/25, 11:34 AM

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WTDawson9•1/11/25, 11:34 AM

Lemme check

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Erisa•1/11/25, 11:35 AM

both Email Routing and Area 1 involve email servers hosted by cloudflare

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Erisa•1/11/25, 11:35 AM

but they only do forwarding, not cold sending

EErisa but they only do forwarding, not cold sending

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WTDawson9•1/11/25, 11:35 AM

I wonder how they send their emails then

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Erisa•1/11/25, 11:36 AM

sparkpost apparently

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Erisa•1/11/25, 11:36 AM

you can see in the email headers

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Erisa•1/11/25, 11:36 AM

Host='mta-87-158.sparkpostmail.com',

Host='mta-87-158.sparkpostmail.com',

Host='mta-87-158.sparkpostmail.com',

Host='mta-87-158.sparkpostmail.com',

EErisa `Host='mta-87-158.sparkpostmail.com', `

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WTDawson9•1/11/25, 11:36 AM

Hmm

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WTDawson9•1/11/25, 11:36 AM

Interesting

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Erisa•1/11/25, 11:36 AM

seems they rebranded at some point https://bird.com/en-gb/developer/email-api

Email API Integration: Email Sending API Service | Bird

Send and optimize your emails with the platform trusted to deliver 40% of all commercial emails worldwide.

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Erisa•1/11/25, 11:37 AM

sparkpostmail.com takes you there

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WTDawson9•1/11/25, 11:37 AM

Yeah

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WTDawson9•1/11/25, 11:37 AM

I would've thought that something the size of Cloudflare would host their own but yk

11.1.1.1 Empty message

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Erisa•1/11/25, 11:37 AM

these records only tell you whats accepting incoming, not whats outgoing. spf would tell you whats allowed for outgoing

and for what its worth,

mxrecord.io

mxrecord.io

mxrecord.io

mxrecord.io is the Cloudflare Area 1 email service

EErisa these records only tell you whats accepting incoming, not whats outgoing. spf wo...

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WTDawson9•1/11/25, 11:37 AM

Yeah mb

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Erisa•1/11/25, 11:38 AM

spf for notify.cloudflare.com says sparkpost and apple:

notify.cloudflare.com.  300     IN      TXT     "v=spf1 include:_spf.sparkpostmail.com include:privaterelay.appleid.com -all"

notify.cloudflare.com.  300     IN      TXT     "v=spf1 include:_spf.sparkpostmail.com include:privaterelay.appleid.com -all"

notify.cloudflare.com.  300     IN      TXT     "v=spf1 include:_spf.sparkpostmail.com include:privaterelay.appleid.com -all"

notify.cloudflare.com.  300     IN      TXT     "v=spf1 include:_spf.sparkpostmail.com include:privaterelay.appleid.com -all"

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WTDawson9•1/11/25, 11:39 AM

Interesting

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Erisa•1/11/25, 11:39 AM

spf for cloudflare.com is a lot bigger, including google workspace, mailchimp, mandrillo, zendesk, atlassian statuspage and salesforce

EErisa spf for cloudflare.com is a lot bigger, including google workspace, mailchimp, m...

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WTDawson9•1/11/25, 11:39 AM

Understandable

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Erisa•1/11/25, 11:41 AM

thought customer.com was in there but it was actually atlassian statuspage with their amazingly descriptive domain

stspg-customer.com

stspg-customer.com

stspg-customer.com

stspg-customer.com

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Erisa•1/11/25, 11:41 AM

then again i also thought customer.com was a thing and was actually thinking of customer.io so that was altogether a lapse in judgement

EErisa thought customer.com was in there but it was actually atlassian statuspage with ...

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WTDawson9•1/11/25, 11:42 AM

Atlassin has a lot of domains lol

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Erisa•1/11/25, 11:43 AM

my favourite is https://metastatuspage.com/

Atlassian Statuspage Status

Welcome to Atlassian Statuspage's home for real-time and historical data on system performance.

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Erisa•1/11/25, 11:43 AM

the statuspage for atlassian statuspage

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Erisa•1/11/25, 11:43 AM

with a funny domain

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WTDawson9•1/11/25, 11:43 AM

Lol

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WTDawson9•1/11/25, 11:44 AM

Oh wow, don't spell atlassian.com wrong lol

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WTDawson9•1/11/25, 11:44 AM

Wait

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WTDawson9•1/11/25, 11:44 AM

How on earth do you spell it

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Erisa•1/11/25, 11:45 AM

atlassian

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WTDawson9•1/11/25, 11:45 AM

Ah

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WTDawson9•1/11/25, 11:45 AM

There's also https://status.atlassian.com/

Atlassian Status

Welcome to Atlassian's home for real-time and historical data on system performance.

WWTDawson9 Oh wow, don't spell atlassian.com wrong lol

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WTDawson9•1/11/25, 11:45 AM

My adblocker stopped me after like 5 redirects

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Erisa•1/11/25, 11:45 AM

yeah thats for everything and not just their statuspage product

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Erisa•1/11/25, 11:45 AM

vearing #off-topic though

EErisa vearing #off-topic though

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WTDawson9•1/11/25, 11:46 AM

Alright, I'll stop

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Erisa•1/11/25, 11:46 AM

feel free to continue in #off-topic if you want, or go back to talking about cloudflare to make it on-topic for here

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William•1/11/25, 6:08 PM

hi

otherwise the amount of abuse they would be receiving would be astronomical

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