DCS's native FFB implementation handles the dynamic spring force/stiffening in warbirds. A custom o

DCS's native FFB implementation handles the dynamic spring force/stiffening in warbirds. A custom override feature for TelemFFB is in development but isn't quite ready yet.

TTheAmazinGreat I haven’t watched the video but also play with static force. I do t use any bala...

red_one•2/26/25, 7:55 AM

yeah but that's only good for having the stick stay in the centre - if i want to it stay wheever i leave it, it doesn't work

red_one•2/26/25, 7:58 AM

these are my settings at the moment, but i can't get them quite right

NNumber481 DCS's native FFB implementation handles the dynamic spring force/stiffening in w...

Simon2012•2/26/25, 8:39 AM

Natively from DCS ? I never felt it though

SSimon2012 Natively from DCS ? I never felt it though 🤔

sydost•2/26/25, 9:33 AM

It is but the implementation isn’t very good. It is probably made with the old weaker FFB sticks in mind and the maximum force is reached already at around 200 kts. That means you get stiffening stick during take off but not in the flight regime you actually fly and fight in those things. I think that the module makers should improve the FFB implementation in this regard. Of course it will be an excellent substitute if we get a possibility to adjust this in TelemFFB.

SSimon2012 Natively from DCS ? I never felt it though 🤔

Number481OP•2/26/25, 12:38 PM

I'm not aware of any warbirds where it isn't implemented. There should be no spring force on the ground, increasing with airspeed. Make sure you don't have "sticky" enabled in the spring setting in configurator, else the base will ignore what DCS is telling it.

As sysdot says, many find the native gain curves lacking.

The TelemFFB feature will allow you to define the spring gain curve across whatever speed envelope you wish.

NNumber481 I'm not aware of any warbirds where it *isn't* implemented. There should be no ...

Simon2012•2/26/25, 2:54 PM

No sticky enabled in my case, and no noticeable force increase with speed unfortunately

walmis•2/26/25, 3:31 PM

There's an important concept to understand about force feedback: When set to 100% force, the resistance is distributed across the entire range of motion - the motors only reach maximum output when the stick is fully deflected, meaning there's no saturation point.
If we increase this to 300% for a stiffer feel, the motors will reach 100% output at just one-third of the stick's travel. This creates what we can call a "dynamic range" limitation. The game sends a "set spring gain to 100%" command at relatively low airspeeds, reaching maximum stiffness early without further increases.
Most DCS modules (with the exception of the F-4 Phantom) don't provide adjustments for this behavior, so we'll need to rely on external implementations to create realistic force-versus-airspeed relationships.
The key limitation: once the force gradient saturates, the stick won't produce additional resistance beyond that point since the motors are already operating at maximum power earlier in the range of motion. This effectively reduces the stick's ability to communicate different force levels through the full range of travel.

Additional points:
The Rhino operates within the standard 100% range by default. However, you can boost this using the spring gain mapping tool, which offers two approaches:
* Remapping spring strength versus displacement to achieve higher overall gain
* Remapping the game's percent gain to a custom response curve

Be aware that higher spring gains make the system less stable, making proper damper and LPF (Low Pass Filter) settings more critical:
* If gain is too high, the stick will vibrate rapidly ("brrrrrt") and trigger a "FAULT_UNSTABLE" error
* If damping is too low, the stick will oscillate back and forth without finding a stable position

Later telemFFB have the feature to set our own force vs airspeed curve

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Wwalmis There's an important concept to understand about force feedback: When set to 100...

Hiob•2/27/25, 2:35 PM

In relation to this topic - I'd wish for a more detailed "how to" on how to properly adjust/tune/optimize the various filters. I get the basic idea and work concepts but I struggle with the proper adjustments anyway. And the trial and error approach leaves me with some anxiety.
If such already exist - excuse my ignorance and point me to it please!

f15sim•2/27/25, 2:38 PM

is it possible to get more than one rotation out of the axis motors with the VPForce controller?

Number481OP•2/27/25, 2:43 PM

Yes, but you must make sure you are within 1 revolution of center when the device is powered on.

f15sim•2/27/25, 2:43 PM

Ok, thanks!

Piiman•2/27/25, 3:41 PM

My Rhino is due to be delivered today, only three days after shipping to Florida, USA. That's nice! What should I do first?

Fierce_Fire•2/27/25, 3:52 PM

First install the software, then start your favorite aircraft and mess with the settings a bit.

Piiman•2/27/25, 3:56 PM

You're a little off. First, remove the MOZA Ab9 base. This thing came so fast that I didn't have to get ready. I'm going through the manual now. Thanks for the response.

CaptainNel•2/27/25, 4:49 PM

Is there any way to hot key a spring strength preset?

CaptainNel•2/27/25, 4:50 PM

I’d like to set up a force trim switch essentially for use with telem as it doesn’t always work with the DCS ffb settings

CaptainNel•2/27/25, 4:50 PM

So switching off the spring without having to go digging around my feet for the pot

Shamansky•2/27/25, 6:25 PM

any idea how to fix squeak on vpforce tpr pedals... I am loosing my mind lol

Shamansky•2/27/25, 7:52 PM

so figured wet cotton pad test... I put it between belt and pulley, and squeak goes away...

sepruda (GMT +2)•2/27/25, 8:49 PM

I just got the MTS platform and am looking to mount my Rhino on it - I'm unsure which screws to use - can anyone share a setup?

Ssepruda (GMT +2)I just got the MTS platform and am looking to mount my Rhino on it - I'm unsure ...

Dracks•2/28/25, 7:05 AM

Look my setup here. 📃general

Dracks•2/28/25, 7:06 AM

I have the Monstertech Rhino plate and just using the screw in the bundle

Dracks•2/28/25, 7:07 AM

(Sometimes I tighten the screws

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m2times_•2/28/25, 8:59 AM

Yaay my rhino qr mounting plate is here

TonyDarkZero•2/28/25, 9:38 AM

Recently received my Rhino motor kit and absolutely loving the diy build process, I’m surprised at the lack of diy Yoke builds, does the telemffb software support such applications or is there more fundamental implication issues?

CaptainNel•2/28/25, 10:09 AM

It would essentially be the same albeit on a different base

CaptainNel•2/28/25, 10:09 AM

Pitch motor snd roll motors

CaptainNel•2/28/25, 10:10 AM

Logistically there’s more work required but it’d be doable

TonyDarkZero•2/28/25, 10:24 AM

Maybe l’ll gut my Honeycomb Alpha at some point in the future

DDracks Look my setup here. https://discord.com/channels/965234441511383080/965234441511...

sepruda (GMT +2)•2/28/25, 11:10 AM

Cool thanks!

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CCaptainNel Is there any way to hot key a spring strength preset?

Hiob•3/1/25, 1:54 PM

What do you mean? force trim release is a built in function of the configurator, you just need to enable it and asssign a key. (use loopback for the pedals)

HHiob What do you mean? force trim release is a built in function of the configurator,...

CaptainNel•3/1/25, 2:08 PM

yeah im meaning a way to turn off the force trim system, IE like the dash switch in the huey, i flip that off but I still get DCS' FFB effects, Id like to turn it off for hovering, to save fighting the spring, then turn it back on in stable flight

CaptainNel•3/1/25, 2:09 PM

so my question was is there a way to hotkey presets for spring strength, to turn it to 0% to emulate FT being switched off

LR.Jpatty•3/1/25, 3:05 PM

is this correct we have a 32 physical button limit?

CCaptainNel yeah im meaning a way to turn off the force trim system, IE like the dash switch...

Number481OP•3/1/25, 3:19 PM

There are no hot keys in either configurator or TelemFFB. But the FT switch in the DCS Huey is modeled by the native implementation. When you turn off the switch, the spring force should stop (check you don't have "sticky" enabled in configurator)

HoopDaBoop•3/1/25, 5:03 PM

HoopDaBoop•3/1/25, 5:05 PM

My 3D printed pulley covers on the Rhino. Also mounted on the QR4Rigs quick release mount so I can easily remove it if needed when racing

LR.Jpatty•3/1/25, 5:23 PM

^fantastic, ya the covers leave a good place for some art

HoopDaBoop•3/1/25, 5:33 PM

Is this still the case? 12+ months wait? I have someone who is interested and was asking me

HHoopDaBoop Is this still the case? 12+ months wait? I have someone who is interested and w...

Piiman•3/1/25, 5:41 PM

It only took about 3 months for mine and 3 days to have it shipped to me in the States. I just got it last Thursday. Just get on the list and forget about it.

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