If I were to create an app to live-stream my league games, like live and real-time, should I reach f
If I were to create an app to live-stream my league games, like live and real-time, should I reach for the real-time product or CF Stream?
Fany reason why?
Fsomeone told me that it depends on how much latency i want
1Stream is for streaming video, Realtime is for streaming data (could be video)
1Stream has WebRTC streaming if you want low latency
1If you're streaming video games then latency really doesn't matter
Fwell, makes sense
Falthough they are marketing CF Realtime for videos and audio as well
FCloudflare Docs
Cloudflare Realtime is infrastructure for real-time audio/video/data applications. It allows you to build real-time apps without worrying about scaling or regions. It can act as a selective forwarding unit (WebRTC SFU), as a fanout delivery system for broadcasting (WebRTC CDN) or anything in between.
Fbut ya, a few seconds latency doesn't matter for my usecase
1Stream charges per minute viewed, Realtime charges per GB so will probs end up being more expensive in the long run
1Realtime wont record your streams into VODs, or generate thumbnails, or let you download the stream, or embed the stream
Fyeah, that's right, i think the choice is clear now
Fthanks for the info
JAre we still quite a ways off from having an input stream and output stream of differing formats? Specifically, I have a use case where I need to stream in with SRT and output to WHEP. Stream seems like the perfect product for this, rather than running a conversion gateway locally to produce a WHIP stream.
JIs there anyone that can sanity check some of my pricing calculations?
J20,000 viewers of 1200 minutes per month.
$1 per 1000 minutes = $0.001 per minute.
Cost per user: 0.001 * 1200 = $1.20
Total cost per month: 20,000 * 1.2 = $24000
$1 per 1000 minutes = $0.001 per minute.
Cost per user: 0.001 * 1200 = $1.20
Total cost per month: 20,000 * 1.2 = $24000
1Do you have existing accurate analytics to support your view numbers, or just basing off rough numbers? Your math is correct, but its very rare that a viewer will be watching long form content for the entire time. I do many regular 3 hour streams, with hundreds of total views, and average 5-25K minutes viewed per stream. Which means each viewer is only watching a small portion of the total runtime on average
1Definitely curious on this one, would open some cool use cases
1I've asked this before, but with the Browser Rendering API and OTFE platform slowly maturing over time, is there possibility for being able to inject a HTML5 browser instance over the top of a live stream? That and input switching would be the only things I need to entirely transition from AWS
JYeah, this is all theoretical; on behalf of a client I'm doing consulting for. I too, think the numbers are ambitious, but I have to give them a cost based on their figures
1From pure math, the cost is legit. But in my experience (2000 videos per year), CF Stream is the cheapest around without having huge bandwidth/view numbers (many millions)
JDo you happen to know if there's any price breaks for large users? there's no mentions on the site
1Enterprise starts at 3K per month but I've had no concrete confirmation of price cut numbers because I'm below that monthly minimum usage
Jinteresting
Jit seems that Bunny is quite competitive
1On Bunny, you pay for encode as well as viewing right? And its per GB instead of per min?
1Stream comes up cheaper cos someone viewing at 1080P costs the same as someone viewing at 360P
Jfrom a conversation with them it's a fair bit cheaper at volume
Jthe client is also assuming that everyone will view at 1080p :/
1Yeah that won't happen lmao
1I'd be interested to know what 'volume' starts at
JI think it's mostly to work out worst case scenarios
Jover 166TB of bandwidth is 'send enquiry'
1What bandwidth numbers have you calculated at your estimated view numbers?
J560TB
Jin reality it should be a lot lower, but worst case scenario...
1Are you doing streams or VODs?
Jboth
Jthey're expecting around a 50/50 split
Jbut it's all theoretical, I think these numbers are way off
1If you were to transcode on your end, then deliver using #r2 , costs would be lower
1Agreed
JI've heard about doing that with r2, but they're keen for something stupid simple, so I'm not going to throw it in the mix yet
1Im unsure of how easy Bunny Stream is to implement, but the costing and ease of usability of CF Stream is good
1I was able to transition 12 streams on the fly within 5 minutes to Cloudflare due to an outage with our old streaming provider and haven't looked back. Very easy to use
Jthats good to know @1984 Ford Laser
JWhat was the old platform out of interest?
JI'm just getting some clarification on that @gtech9451
