hold on. do safe-only runtimes even exist?
hold on. do safe-only runtimes even exist?
Ayeah, if you're old enough to remember Windows Phone and Silverlight and WinRT and company
AI coded on Windows Phone 7 back in a day, that was quite a performance shitshow with all the limitations
Tso it was basically microsoft java, got it
Apretty much, yes
Aoh, also, no emit
and mostly no reflection in general
probably something else too...
and mostly no reflection in general
probably something else too...
SIs that so called
ILStub?Encoding.UTF8.GetByteCount eww
KThat is the official P/Invoke stubs yes
Aand what's wrong with GetByteCount?
SIt actually does conversion behind the scenes (afaik)
Athat's normal C++ish pattern for doing stuff when memory is caller-allocated
Ayou do a dry run to figure out the memory requirements, allocate memory and then do actual run with allocated memory
SI allocate
(len+1)*3+1 bytesSAnd then encode utf8 data to it
Athat's because you're not developing any frameworks
Aor runtimes 
Aotherwise you'd be rather hated for wasting THAT much memory
A...or even not running your code in 32bit mode
SIt actually isn't used here.
I use 1024 bytes of stack memory
I use 1024 bytes of stack memory
SRegardless of what i actually need
SCuz performance
S(That i never had problems with there)
SI have defines for CONSERVATIVE STACK and CONSERVATIVE HEAP btw, they're compiling options
KI mean that is literally what is done in other places, the P Invoke stubs are generate very well optimized. I'm assuming they have a good reason why the length was required here (feel free to go back and check, can't be bothered rn)
Aeasy: imagine string with 1073741791 characters
Aor even 715827882
Aand before you ask - yeah, I've seen systems operating on such strings
PI mean, all you’d need to do is try to marshal the bee movie script and suddenly your system doesn’t cut it
Aalso, memory is not always free, there's cost for having 3x mem usage
P@alexx999_ sorry for the delay, will have a poke around your draft PR now!
Abtw, I can prove that moving structs is not a breaking change
Khate to brag, but 14 lines of change to go from empty struct to struct with full member functionality https://github.com/dotnet/Silk.NET/commit/f948995066801ddd53b0cc9d8363f1ca84c18485
Don't think I've ever managed incremental dev to this degree
Don't think I've ever managed incremental dev to this degree
KAlso sleepy brian messing up indent and intend again 
Psleepy brian
Lwho
K as you can see, I'm sleepyKHi Sleepy, I'm brian
Lhi brian, im dead inside
Pbyeee briann
A@Perksey namely, struct names doesn't really matter because extensions are broken - you cannot use GetProcAddress for OpenCL
and if you can't use any extensions with Silk then it's not a breaking change to break them
and if you can't use any extensions with Silk then it's not a breaking change to break them
Phow are extension functions even loaded then
Pthat was the best guess i had at the time
Ayeah, that's the funny bit: even the official Khtonos ICD dll (that I'm using) is not exposing cl_khr_icd extension method (clIcdGetPlatformIDsKHR) which is literally the only feature this DLL has
Aso you must enumerate platform objects and then query extensions per platform
Ait's done this way because each platform may reside in separate standalone .dll
Pyeah course, like vulkan
Pughhhhhh
Pwell we can do what we did for vulkan and have a TryGetPlatformExtension
Panyways, i want to curl up in a ball in bed now, so putting the laptop away for this evening
Ayeah, that's what has to be done
Aand a different NativeLoader impl