i dont have my rhino yet, but i do have a 500mm carbon fiber rod as my extension on a modified MS FF

i dont have my rhino yet, but i do have a 500mm carbon fiber rod as my extension on a modified MS FFB2, and the force works just as well as without the extension. this motor is a lot more powerful i believe so you should be more than fine, if that helps!

WWill3D Thanks for clarification. I did end up reading the Rhino came with the smaller 5...

Stoned KakapoOP•8/23/22, 4:58 PM

granted, the force isnt that great even without the extension, but should be an ok-ish reference on how much force you lose (or dont) with an extension that size

SStoned Kakapo i dont have my rhino yet, but i do have a 500mm carbon fiber rod as my extension...

Will3D•8/24/22, 2:18 AM

Ok. I’m not sure it will be the same. You have significant leverage advantage so force will be less.

Will3D•8/24/22, 2:20 AM

Can anyone comment on the status of using aVKB stick? I have one and a Winwing and the VKB is significantly more comfortable and higher-quality. I understand they use a proprietary format though.

Vladinsky•8/24/22, 3:03 AM

walmis offers a vkb adapter that plugs into the black box

VVladinsky walmis offers a vkb adapter that plugs into the black box

Will3D•8/24/22, 5:09 AM

Excuse my ignorance, but what is the black box?

Vladinsky•8/24/22, 5:21 AM

That's what the VKB stick base plugs into

Vladinsky•8/24/22, 5:22 AM

https://img.atwiki.jp/aceshigh/attach/267/959/GunfighterMCG-PRO.jpg

Vladinsky•8/24/22, 5:27 AM

https://discord.com/channels/965234441511383080/972180323787997255/994218176093106196

walmis•8/24/22, 5:36 AM

It's orange in this case

Will3D•8/24/22, 5:38 AM

Right. So this sends the button controls. And the rhino sends x and y? So requires 2 usb then?

Vladinsky•8/24/22, 5:38 AM

Haha yeah, I think the new plastic one is actually black?

Vladinsky•8/24/22, 5:40 AM

You would need two USB slots yeah

WWill3D Right. So this sends the button controls. And the rhino sends x and y? So requir...

Frenchy•8/24/22, 5:40 AM

Yes

VVladinsky Haha yeah, I think the new plastic one is actually black?

Will3D•8/24/22, 5:41 AM

Yes mine is black

Will3D•8/24/22, 5:46 AM

Ok more questions. What belts are being used? T5? How long? Guess it depends on gearing but say 90t 15t

walmis•8/24/22, 5:53 AM

Rhino uses HTD5M belts with 12T/75T pulleys

Wwalmis Rhino uses HTD5M belts with 12T/75T pulleys

Will3D•8/24/22, 6:23 AM

Ok thank you. Assume 10mm width. What length? Depends on design I guess.

walmis•8/24/22, 6:24 AM

Yep 10mm, length depends on design

Will3D•8/24/22, 6:27 AM

Different question. What positional accuracy do you get with the steppers?

walmis•8/24/22, 6:30 AM

These are not steppers, but position feedback resolution is 4096 counts/rev

Wwalmis These are not steppers, but position feedback resolution is 4096 counts/rev

Will3D•8/24/22, 6:32 AM

Thanks. Oh are these closed loop servos?

walmis•8/24/22, 6:32 AM

Yeah

Deleted User•8/24/22, 6:32 AM

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Deleted User•8/24/22, 6:32 AM

Electroengineering has never been my thing

Will3D•8/24/22, 6:32 AM

Do the drivers give out any emi?

Will3D•8/24/22, 6:33 AM

I have had a few issues with my motion rig.

walmis•8/24/22, 6:40 AM

They are quite clean EMI wise, I was afraid at first that motors could cause USB noise/resets but no such problems

Will3D•8/24/22, 7:08 AM

Ok that is good to know. I'm sure they would be better than the controllers on motion rigs.

Flashgod_VR•8/24/22, 7:43 AM

@will3d just to add about precision, the Rhino is the most precise piece of input controller i ever had in 30 years.

Flashgod_VR•8/24/22, 7:47 AM

combined with the fully customizable behaviour with damping, friction and more, plus spring dynamics and additional effects coming in in realtime from the game... a dream

FFlashgod_VR combined with the fully customizable behaviour with damping, friction and more, ...

Will3D•8/24/22, 7:54 AM

Thanks! What game are you getting feedback from ?

Flashgod_VR•8/24/22, 9:56 AM

best is DCS. a lot of FFB support. helicopter trimming is the most useful feature. followed by positional stick trimming in cold era jets. you will also get stall shaking. in WW2 planes stick pressure...

Will3D•8/24/22, 9:59 AM

I heard DCS has ffb support but it’s rather aircraft dependent. Do you get any turbulence feedback?

Flashgod_VR•8/24/22, 10:01 AM

for airframe effects get a jetpad or buttkicker with simshaker for aviators: https://forum.dcs.world/topic/147495-official-simshaker-for-aviators/

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CapnFlint•8/24/22, 2:40 PM

IL2 is also quite good for FFB effects - stall shake and gun effects in every plane. It is great

Pfhoenix•8/24/22, 5:22 PM

@walmis you really ought to setup some kind of pre-order status counter or something

Wwalmis It's orange in this case 😄

mechsicko•8/24/22, 10:12 PM

Just like the black box is on rl aircraft :p

Deleted User•8/24/22, 10:14 PM

very black, but very boxy!
that's just the FDR, if we want to make the set complete we'll need the CVR too

Will3D•8/24/22, 11:49 PM

So looking at the VPforce software. What are "constant force" and "periodic effects gain" ? Or is there a manual anywhere ?

SwiftVengeance•8/24/22, 11:52 PM

can someone post a video of this thing in action

SwiftVengeance•8/24/22, 11:52 PM

I want to see the force feedback in a ww2 plane or f14 tomcat

BFGfreak•8/25/22, 1:07 AM

I'm curious, could the rhino work as a omni-throttle for Elite Dangerous, where the X axis is just damper and the Y is spring with maybe some psudo detents for marking the halfway point?

Pfhoenix•8/25/22, 1:22 AM

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Tenor

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mechsicko•8/25/22, 1:23 AM

To separate different functions to avoid crosstalk between axes you want to behave differently

Pfhoenix•8/25/22, 1:24 AM

that doesn't explain why

mechsicko•8/25/22, 1:26 AM

, though y axis being damped and x being sprung makes more sense since a throttle moves in y.

The 'why' is because you want a throttle to stay at whatever position you leave but roll or other directional inputs you operate briefly as proportional commands benefit from having a spring nudging input back to zero.

BAKE•8/25/22, 1:42 AM

Like, you plan on getting 2 for a HOSAS set up?

mechsicko•8/25/22, 1:48 AM

The question was if x and y axis can be set to different functions on the same stick, one being damper for throttle the other a sculped spring profile for a movement axis. No mention was made of how the other 4 axes are being dealt with.

mechsicko•8/25/22, 1:49 AM

It's not my questions or control scheme. Maybe @bfgfreak can elaborate on the goal here

WWill3D So looking at the VPforce software. What are "constant force" and "periodic effe...

walmis•8/25/22, 4:43 AM

A manual is definitely on my to-do list!

Constant force option in effects tab is an adjustable ... constant force (CF). It adds a certain amount of torque regardless of position. Useful as a counterbalance. Also there's CF in the FFB standard, which the game can send custom effects to the device by constantly changing the CF value. The master CF slider in settings adjusts such effects "volume"

Periodic effects (PE) are also in the FFB standard, these are predefined effects in the device, such as sine, square waves. The game can request the device to make vibrations with certain amplitude and frequency. The PE slider adjusts the "volume" of such effects.

i dont have my rhino yet, but i do have a 500mm carbon fiber rod as my extension on a modified MS FF

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