The meaning was that I don't want to start using "center trim" option again, because I'd have to use

The meaning was that I don't want to start using "center trim" option again, because I'd have to use springs while flying a helicopter. Really don't want that, so Apache is off the table for now.

Reed•12/14/22, 4:52 PM

Does this lag go away when you are holding the trim button while moving the cyclic?

SwiftVengeance•12/14/22, 5:04 PM

Jjubuttib The meaning was that I don't want to start using "center trim" option again, bec...

SwiftVengeance•12/14/22, 5:07 PM

wouldn't you be able to just ignore the trim button and leave it unbound?

SwiftVengeance•12/14/22, 5:08 PM

if the joystick is springless then means you don't even need trim at all and the center trim option works just fine without it.

SwiftVengeance•12/14/22, 5:09 PM

unless your using spring pedals also with center trim

SSwiftVengeance wouldn't you be able to just ignore the trim button and leave it unbound?

jubuttibOP•12/14/22, 5:44 PM

That works fine on something like the Huey, but the Apache's autopilot/stability augmentation system will be fighting you all the time. Sometimes you need to tell the autopilot "hey, this is the attitude and heading I want to be holding", and the only way to do that is with the trim button. The trim button is also the only way to reset the autopilot channels when they get saturated.

SwiftVengeance•12/14/22, 5:54 PM

you dont have to use the trim up

SwiftVengeance•12/14/22, 5:54 PM

just trim left right and down

Jjubuttib That works fine on something like the Huey, but the Apache's autopilot/stability...

SwiftVengeance•12/14/22, 5:55 PM

trim up you can use for something else or leave it unbound. trim down resets the auto pilot, trim right engages alt hold and trim left engages att hold

TheLurk🌽•12/15/22, 1:39 AM

You still need to trim for scas sleeve centering else you run out of authority quick

TheLurk🌽•12/15/22, 1:40 AM

Specific for the Apache I should say

TheLurk🌽•12/15/22, 1:41 AM

If you don’t the system will fight you, keeping the trimmer pressed doesn’t work either since that just puts it into rate damping not full scas authority within its band

TheLurk🌽•12/15/22, 1:42 AM

Can just bump trim it to keep the sleeve around your stick position

TTheLurk🌽You still need to trim for scas sleeve centering else you run out of authority q...

SwiftVengeance•12/15/22, 1:47 AM

sorry I dont follow

TheLurk🌽•12/15/22, 1:48 AM

Look at the controls indicator box when flying the Apache

SwiftVengeance•12/15/22, 1:48 AM

yeah?

TheLurk🌽•12/15/22, 1:48 AM

The lighter areas and the green cross

SwiftVengeance•12/15/22, 1:48 AM

yes

TheLurk🌽•12/15/22, 1:49 AM

The green cross is your scas, the light area the authority it has

SwiftVengeance•12/15/22, 1:49 AM

the green cross is your center position yes?

SwiftVengeance•12/15/22, 1:49 AM

for trim

TheLurk🌽•12/15/22, 1:49 AM

It’s what the scas channel is doing

SwiftVengeance•12/15/22, 1:49 AM

alright

TheLurk🌽•12/15/22, 1:50 AM

Basically if you move your stick out of that box the scas can’t do it’s job

TheLurk🌽•12/15/22, 1:51 AM

What trimming does is place the light square around your sticks position giving scas its control authority

SwiftVengeance•12/15/22, 1:51 AM

hmm, so your sayng that you are forced to trim if you want the helicopter to help you fly

TheLurk🌽•12/15/22, 1:52 AM

No, it’s required to correctly fly the Apache, it’s built around the scas

SwiftVengeance•12/15/22, 1:53 AM

when your stick position moves outside the white square you need to bring the white square back in the area of your stick position by trimming

TheLurk🌽•12/15/22, 1:53 AM

The scas is what keeps it stable, on the real bird, dcs the fm is kinda wonky atm

SSwiftVengeance when your stick position moves outside the white square you need to bring the wh...

TheLurk🌽•12/15/22, 1:53 AM

Yes

SwiftVengeance•12/15/22, 1:53 AM

well thats annoyng

TheLurk🌽•12/15/22, 1:53 AM

In general it’s always good to hit the trimmer when doing cyclic inputs

TheLurk🌽•12/15/22, 1:54 AM

Every helo with a sas works that way

TheLurk🌽•12/15/22, 1:54 AM

Force trim is really no different

SwiftVengeance•12/15/22, 1:55 AM

I wander if he can use vjoy to make the game think his using ffb stick and then fly in the center mode with trim

TheLurk🌽•12/15/22, 1:55 AM

In the real helo pressing the trimmer is what let’s you move the stick to begin with

SwiftVengeance•12/15/22, 1:56 AM

because my ffb stick acts exactly as its supposed to even though it should act like a spring stick, so I think the game knows and lets me trim where I want to

TheLurk🌽•12/15/22, 1:57 AM

In the Apache if the stick is outside the sleeve the scas will go to limits and saturate

SwiftVengeance•12/15/22, 1:57 AM

i see

SwiftVengeance•12/15/22, 1:57 AM

well I never paid attention to that

TheLurk🌽•12/15/22, 1:57 AM

Your holds won’t engage either

TheLurk🌽•12/15/22, 1:57 AM

It won’t handle as it should basically

SwiftVengeance•12/15/22, 1:57 AM

I just trim when I notice my hands getting tired pushin on the stick so much

SwiftVengeance•12/15/22, 1:58 AM

and then when I want to hover

SwiftVengeance•12/15/22, 1:58 AM

I trim and leave it there

TheLurk🌽•12/15/22, 1:58 AM

Yeah you’re flying with an unaided technique in a kinda fbw aircraft

SwiftVengeance•12/15/22, 1:59 AM

was this scas system in the apache when it came out?

TheLurk🌽•12/15/22, 1:59 AM

You have to rethink, it’s not you doing things it’s you telling the aircraft what to do, garbage in garbage out

TheLurk🌽•12/15/22, 2:00 AM

Yes

The meaning was that I don't want to start using "center trim" option again, because I'd have to use

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