there is back drivable hydraulic controls which still allow you too feel a bit of the effects and no
there is back drivable hydraulic controls which still allow you too feel a bit of the effects and non back drivable which wont transfer any effects
Sthen there is fly by wire (fbw) which is totally different. its like your telling the car where to go and it does that for you so you never loose control
Swell at least its like that for the f16. I dont know how the f18 does it
Sin my opinion all planes should have ffb effects available in dcs. because you are flyng in a sim you cant feel the g forces, shaking, vibrations etc of the aircraft which you would be able to in real life through the seat and cockpit.
Sfeeling what the plane is doing allows you to control it to the limit or just being more immersed in the simulation just like with a car ffb wheel
SYea I agree even if the f16 is force sensing irl and you can’t really feel anything through the stick. In sim you should for that exact reason
SThat’s how sim racing is. Some things are translated in sim you may not feel irl bc we don’t get seat of our pants feeling
SBc my sim rig is shared with iracing idk if I could even fit a center stick in the first place so I may have to go with a side stick and if I do I’ll get the fssb and just use it for all aircraft. I’m sure it would work fine for helos
SAnd warbirds. Not ideal but still good enough
SI’ve read some people use it for every aircraft just fine
Smy stick only works well with f16
SFrom msfs to helo to warbirds
SI’ve used the real sim fssb lightning and loved it
SWhich is why I’m considering it
Severything else is very hard to fly with my stick, but it might be different for fssb
Sim using a msffb2 at the moment as a side stick
Sit has force feedback
Sand I switch it out for the load cell stick when im flyng f16
SI only flew fbw aircraft with it I think. It’s been a while since I used it but the feeling has stuck with me. I felt like I was flying with my mind. I think I tried the tomcat with it too and did alright. Landed in a carrier with it in the hornet
STook me a few tries lol
SA side stick would make more sense for my setup though. I’m using a gt omega prime cockpit
Syeah its amazing with f16, I can pull exactly as hard as I want to and just in general its super intuitive
Sbut with other modules its way way harder because you hands get tired and you have to constantly correct etc etc
SI dont think you will enjoy flyng other modules with it
Smy hand is constantly moving back and forth doing small movements especially in helicopters. I read some people got used to it after a while but I wouldn't get my hopes up, and especially you will loose out on ffb effects too
Sthe white box and green cross are following my input
SI thought scas is supposed to be following trim position?
原helos need ffb for simulating force trim; while since warbirds using cables/rods etc to connect flight controls and control surfaces, FFB is needed.
That said, modern planes, including some of the FBWers, FFB is still valuable for programming a more realistic curve and swapping btwn different type of aircrafts with ease, as well as for simulating the trim actuator that move the stick when trimming, and Autopilot actuator for some.
That said, modern planes, including some of the FBWers, FFB is still valuable for programming a more realistic curve and swapping btwn different type of aircrafts with ease, as well as for simulating the trim actuator that move the stick when trimming, and Autopilot actuator for some.
原Also ppl would like the so called "FFB" effect such as stick shaker for high AoA, taxi around, etc, albeit in real life those effects is actually mostly come from the shake of the entire airframe
SIts the same in racing sims, you can feel the texture of the road and other things through the wheel
SAnd if the whole airframe is shaking then the stick would be too no?
原I think it's actually a bit different no? the steering wheel actually will receive force feedback from the wheel where as the flight controls of hydraulic/FBW aircraft don't
原yeah but the sim pilot won't if without a motion rig or jetpad/buttkicker
原so if the only thing shakes is the stick, it's kinda werid..
SWell yes, in a car the forces are transfered through the wheels and then you feel them through the steering wheel but you can still feel vibrations through the seat and floor. In a aircraft you can feel some vibration etc through the frame and they make their way to the stick anyways no?
SIf you dont have a motion rig or jet pad then you will feel the vibrations through the stick only but if you have those then you will feel vibrations everywhere
SIn racing sims even though a lot of road cars we race have power steering we just ignore that and use the same ffb effects across all cars
原hmmm just curious can you give an example for the back-drive hydraulic? didn't really read into that doc too much
I've been told 777/787 is but don't know others
I've been told 777/787 is but don't know othersSI havent read too far in it either. Im only on like page 3 I think
SOne sec
原yeah I'm just OCD lol
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SI can find more
SSo let’s say I get one of these ffb sticks instead. Is it plug and play or is there a lot of setup?
原helo might be a different story. IRL they tried and rejected the idea of using force sensing stick on helo. I guess the relatively large force required and small travel to operate a force sensing stick plays a role in that, since helos are usually flew with gentle force and small stick movement on a long-arm cyclic. Even on the newest sidestick helo (FBW or not), like Bell525 and AH-1Z, the cyclic has longer arm than their fixed wing counterpart
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SSo the right word is power boosted
SAlthou I read back drivable somewhere
SThere is also irreversible hydraulic control which is basically power boosted but you cant feel anything
SSo those side stick helos are deflection or force sensing?
