And if the whole airframe is shaking then the stick would be too no?
And if the whole airframe is shaking then the stick would be too no?
原I think it's actually a bit different no? the steering wheel actually will receive force feedback from the wheel where as the flight controls of hydraulic/FBW aircraft don't
原yeah but the sim pilot won't if without a motion rig or jetpad/buttkicker
原so if the only thing shakes is the stick, it's kinda werid..
SWell yes, in a car the forces are transfered through the wheels and then you feel them through the steering wheel but you can still feel vibrations through the seat and floor. In a aircraft you can feel some vibration etc through the frame and they make their way to the stick anyways no?
SIf you dont have a motion rig or jet pad then you will feel the vibrations through the stick only but if you have those then you will feel vibrations everywhere
SIn racing sims even though a lot of road cars we race have power steering we just ignore that and use the same ffb effects across all cars
原hmmm just curious can you give an example for the back-drive hydraulic? didn't really read into that doc too much
I've been told 777/787 is but don't know others
I've been told 777/787 is but don't know othersSI havent read too far in it either. Im only on like page 3 I think
SOne sec
原yeah I'm just OCD lol
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SI can find more
SSo let’s say I get one of these ffb sticks instead. Is it plug and play or is there a lot of setup?
原helo might be a different story. IRL they tried and rejected the idea of using force sensing stick on helo. I guess the relatively large force required and small travel to operate a force sensing stick plays a role in that, since helos are usually flew with gentle force and small stick movement on a long-arm cyclic. Even on the newest sidestick helo (FBW or not), like Bell525 and AH-1Z, the cyclic has longer arm than their fixed wing counterpart
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SSo the right word is power boosted
SAlthou I read back drivable somewhere
SThere is also irreversible hydraulic control which is basically power boosted but you cant feel anything
SSo those side stick helos are deflection or force sensing?
原deflection
SSo is the rhino pretty much plug and play or is there some setup required. And if so is it significant or fairly easy to do?
SIf you get the one thats fully built it should be plug and play
SWhat do you mean fully built?
SPlug the stick in, power it on. Start the game, bind the axis and buttons and your good to go
SThere is different versions walis is selling, there is fully built ones and ones that only have the motors and electronics
原here is a glance on what's inside a bell 525 cyclic and so on. It's a FBW side cyclichttps://youtu.be/Tn9fpgblUtU?t=379
SSo in the faq there is a 800 price and then further down is a price based on motor
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SThese are only for the motors and usb micro controller
原might be the 777. I'm quite sure it's the word they've used on the 777
SYou might be right actually
SI did read about the max
SSo the 800 is the fully built one then.
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WI’m assuming the 800 full build is using the most powerful motors he has listed?
SWeakest*
SAny reason why?
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原oh actually the length of the arm of the Bell525 side cyclic is kinda similar to an airbus sidestick. only military jet fighters use small travel force sensing sidesticks. On the civilian side, all the sidesticks used are in principle similar to the larger travel desktop joystick but with much more stick force and better damper. And the newest ones even use motor driven FFB "Active" sidestick
SProbably because they are different size and the dificulty of dealing with multiple size joysticks and cost
SThe ones it comes with are still powerfull though
原iirc Walmis once said that metal gimbal is probably required for bigger motors
SMy issue with getting something like a virpil or vkb is I feel its too limp feeling
SBut maybe that’s what it feels like irl
SIf you want more power but dont want to have to manufacture and design your own joystick then you can go for laser wing ffb joystick. Its about the same size but it uses robot actuators that will split your nuts in half if you let go
SI feel like a virpil cm3 with an extension and a controller on it will just be too easy to move around. I want more force required
原yeah earlier chat in this channel suggest even the Rhino "feels" stiffer than the spring bases on their heaviest spring
SOk good. I like a stiffer feel
SThey have no where near the streght of ffb joysticks but they are totaly usable.
SWhat ffb joystick allows you to do is fly with an extension.
