VPforce Controls•4y ago

So those side stick helos are deflection or force sensing?

Sscriptedpr So those side stick helos are deflection or force sensing?

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原子力Hoshino•12/16/22, 5:07 AM

deflection

scriptedprOP•12/16/22, 5:09 AM

So is the rhino pretty much plug and play or is there some setup required. And if so is it significant or fairly easy to do?

SwiftVengeance•12/16/22, 5:10 AM

If you get the one thats fully built it should be plug and play

scriptedprOP•12/16/22, 5:10 AM

What do you mean fully built?

SwiftVengeance•12/16/22, 5:11 AM

Plug the stick in, power it on. Start the game, bind the axis and buttons and your good to go

Sscriptedpr What do you mean fully built?

SwiftVengeance•12/16/22, 5:11 AM

There is different versions walis is selling, there is fully built ones and ones that only have the motors and electronics

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原子力Hoshino•12/16/22, 5:12 AM

here is a glance on what's inside a bell 525 cyclic and so on. It's a FBW side cyclichttps://youtu.be/Tn9fpgblUtU?t=379

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Bell Live 525 BTA Training Youtube

scriptedprOP•12/16/22, 5:12 AM

So in the faq there is a 800 price and then further down is a price based on motor

SwiftVengeance•12/16/22, 5:13 AM

SwiftVengeance•12/16/22, 5:13 AM

These are only for the motors and usb micro controller

SSwiftVengeance Althou I read back drivable somewhere

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原子力Hoshino•12/16/22, 5:13 AM

might be the 777. I'm quite sure it's the word they've used on the 777

SwiftVengeance•12/16/22, 5:14 AM

You might be right actually

SwiftVengeance•12/16/22, 5:14 AM

I did read about the max

SSwiftVengeance These are only for the motors and usb micro controller

scriptedprOP•12/16/22, 5:14 AM

So the 800 is the fully built one then.

SwiftVengeance•12/16/22, 5:15 AM

Yup

WhereNoLarkFlew•12/16/22, 5:16 AM

I’m assuming the 800 full build is using the most powerful motors he has listed?

SwiftVengeance•12/16/22, 5:16 AM

Weakest*

scriptedprOP•12/16/22, 5:17 AM

Any reason why?

SwiftVengeance•12/16/22, 5:18 AM

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原子力Hoshino•12/16/22, 5:18 AM

oh actually the length of the arm of the Bell525 side cyclic is kinda similar to an airbus sidestick. only military jet fighters use small travel force sensing sidesticks. On the civilian side, all the sidesticks used are in principle similar to the larger travel desktop joystick but with much more stick force and better damper. And the newest ones even use motor driven FFB "Active" sidestick

SwiftVengeance•12/16/22, 5:19 AM

Probably because they are different size and the dificulty of dealing with multiple size joysticks and cost

SwiftVengeance•12/16/22, 5:19 AM

The ones it comes with are still powerfull though

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原子力Hoshino•12/16/22, 5:20 AM

iirc Walmis once said that metal gimbal is probably required for bigger motors

原原子力Hoshino oh actually the length of the arm of the Bell525 side cyclic is kinda similar to...

scriptedprOP•12/16/22, 5:20 AM

My issue with getting something like a virpil or vkb is I feel its too limp feeling

scriptedprOP•12/16/22, 5:21 AM

But maybe that’s what it feels like irl

SwiftVengeance•12/16/22, 5:21 AM

If you want more power but dont want to have to manufacture and design your own joystick then you can go for laser wing ffb joystick. Its about the same size but it uses robot actuators that will split your nuts in half if you let go

scriptedprOP•12/16/22, 5:22 AM

I feel like a virpil cm3 with an extension and a controller on it will just be too easy to move around. I want more force required

Sscriptedpr My issue with getting something like a virpil or vkb is I feel its too limp feel...

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原子力Hoshino•12/16/22, 5:22 AM

yeah earlier chat in this channel suggest even the Rhino "feels" stiffer than the spring bases on their heaviest spring

scriptedprOP•12/16/22, 5:22 AM

Ok good. I like a stiffer feel

Sscriptedpr My issue with getting something like a virpil or vkb is I feel its too limp feel...

SwiftVengeance•12/16/22, 5:22 AM

They have no where near the streght of ffb joysticks but they are totaly usable.

SwiftVengeance•12/16/22, 5:23 AM

What ffb joystick allows you to do is fly with an extension.

Sscriptedpr But maybe that’s what it feels like irl

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原子力Hoshino•12/16/22, 5:24 AM

no it's not. for example, even the airbus side stick requires about 22lb force for max deflection on pitch axis, and 7~9lb max for rolling

SwiftVengeance•12/16/22, 5:24 AM

That give you the best accuracy and more realistic

scriptedprOP•12/16/22, 5:25 AM

Couldn’t find a laser wing ffb online

scriptedprOP•12/16/22, 5:25 AM

Just to see what you meant

SwiftVengeance•12/16/22, 5:25 AM

If you put a extension on virpil or winwing I would bet it feels like a limp pipi

Sscriptedpr Just to see what you meant

SwiftVengeance•12/16/22, 5:26 AM

https://discord.gg/eKexcdAY

scriptedprOP•12/16/22, 5:26 AM

Lmao. I had a vkb on max strength as a desktop stick that felt limp and that’s not even with an extension

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原子力Hoshino•12/16/22, 5:26 AM

F-16 sidestick requires 25~30lbs-ish on pitch, can't remember the number tho. high 1x lb for rolling

scriptedprOP•12/16/22, 5:27 AM

Yea. The real sim fssb maxes at like 13 pounds I think

Sscriptedpr Yea. The real sim fssb maxes at like 13 pounds I think

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原子力Hoshino•12/16/22, 5:27 AM

affirm. and that's not even close for the real number for pitch

scriptedprOP•12/16/22, 5:27 AM

I still felt like I was cranking on it though before it started to beep at me

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原子力Hoshino•12/16/22, 5:28 AM

F18EFG

Sscriptedpr Lmao. I had a vkb on max strength as a desktop stick that felt limp and that’s n...

SwiftVengeance•12/16/22, 5:30 AM

The guy from laser wing sayd he had his stick at 2% force and it was stronger then the rhino if im not mistaken

scriptedprOP•12/16/22, 5:30 AM

What’s the price on those?

scriptedprOP•12/16/22, 5:31 AM

I didn’t see one listed on the site

scriptedprOP•12/16/22, 5:31 AM

But yea that sounds hella strong

SwiftVengeance•12/16/22, 5:31 AM

The motors cost like 400 each if im not mistaken

SwiftVengeance•12/16/22, 5:31 AM

But its in a whole nother league

scriptedprOP•12/16/22, 5:32 AM

So he builds it for you? Is it fairly new?

So those side stick helos are deflection or force sensing?

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