Hey! According to the bot 28 Rhinos have been sent atm. Walmis is, I believe, currently ramping up p

Hey! According to the bot 28 Rhinos have been sent atm. Walmis is, I believe, currently ramping up production, but the queue is something like 200+ units long. Mine is 116, ordered in mid-October. Sooo, I'd expect 4-6 months-ish. You can DM the VPforceBot with !status and !info <your e-mail here> for more info.

AAsdforce Hey! According to the bot 28 Rhinos have been sent atm. Walmis is, I believe, cu...

keem85•12/26/22, 11:02 AM

Thank you, but I just get "sorry, your email was not found"

AsdforceOP•12/26/22, 11:08 AM

I think you'll want to message Walmis about that. The bot worked good for me just now.

Kkeem85 Thank you, but I just get "sorry, your email was not found"

walmis•12/26/22, 11:14 AM

Hey, which form did you fill?

walmis•12/26/22, 11:14 AM

http://reserve.vpforce.eu <- this one is to reserve the Rhino base

Google Docs

VPforce RHINO Preorder

Enter your details here, so you can enter the waiting queue for the Rhino FFB base.
Once the queue progresses I will get in touch with further details.

Wwalmis Hey, which form did you fill?

keem85•12/26/22, 11:49 AM

No I just ordered the collective base with grip. With an order number and everything

keem85•12/26/22, 11:50 AM

Never heard of the Rhino before, what is it?

keem85•12/26/22, 11:52 AM

Base I see.. Will it support helicopters?

Kkeem85 Base I see.. Will it support helicopters?

walmis•12/26/22, 12:26 PM

Yeah, DCS force trim is well supported. You can find more info in the #

faq channel about the dimensions, etc.

Kkeem85 No I just ordered the collective base with grip. With an order number and everyt...

Ye Old Grog•12/26/22, 12:54 PM

You've got something mixed up. Walmis doesn't have a collective

YYe Old Grog You've got something mixed up. Walmis doesn't have a collective

keem85•12/26/22, 1:36 PM

It's not part of the virpil product line?

walmis•12/26/22, 1:39 PM

this is VPforce Discord, nothing to do with Virpil. While the initials might seem similar, VP is my actual first/last name initials

keem85•12/26/22, 1:39 PM

Lol sorry I mixed it up

keem85•12/26/22, 1:40 PM

Definately interested though, I signed up

Wwalmis this is VPforce Discord, nothing to do with Virpil. While the initials might see...

keem85•12/26/22, 1:42 PM

Can I ask how tall this base is from top to bottom? Doing measurements on my rig

walmis•12/26/22, 1:42 PM

there's a drawing in the #

faq channel

keem85•12/26/22, 1:44 PM

Oh, 29cm,thats pretty huge!

keem85•12/26/22, 1:44 PM

It looks smaller on videos

keem85•12/26/22, 1:46 PM

I'll make it fit

Kkeem85 I'll make it fit 😄

PiNKSH!T•12/26/22, 1:59 PM

it's worth it!

PPiNKSH!T it's worth it!

keem85•12/26/22, 2:38 PM

I bet. I love that it's already extended to some extent. Will be good for helicopter maneuvers etc. I hope itll support no centering, or that we can change cebterpoint/trim on the fly for simulators that's not otherwise supported

Kkeem85 I bet. I love that it's already extended to some extent. Will be good for helico...

PiNKSH!T•12/26/22, 2:42 PM

Already a thing m8! Force trim has worked perfectly for me in the dcs huey & Black Shark 2, msfs2020 dosen't support ffb natively but XPForce or other 3rd party software will give you ffb in msfs, I use XPForce atm & it's good, however it doesn't support force trim, Walmis has just updated the software/firmware for the RHINO base & you can now set force trim in the config software for the RHINO base, so for games that don't support force trim you can still do it through the software.

PiNKSH!T•12/26/22, 2:46 PM

Flying heli's in DCS has been so much better!, also the RHINO has a huge throw on it, I use a 200mm extension, but the software allows you to adjust the length of throw for the x & y axis & it auto-magically adjusts the calibration to fit, this is awesome for going from aircraft to aircraft that may have different throw, or even just to make it fit your pit size.

PPiNKSH!T Flying heli's in DCS has been so much better!, also the RHINO has a huge throw o...

Frenchy•12/26/22, 7:51 PM

Next step: a hook for DCS to automatically detect which aircraft you fly and adjust throw accordingly

PPiNKSH!T Flying heli's in DCS has been so much better!, also the RHINO has a huge throw o...

keem85•12/26/22, 8:37 PM

This is literally what I just asked some real pilots about. That was actually my next question.. 20cm extender would be too tall on my rig. I did some measurements, and I cannot use an extender, because the base will cover the whole height.. So I guess with VPforce I won't get as realistic throw as with a real cyclic.. But maybe the fact that it's a freaking force feedback base will weight up for the lack of throw

keem85•12/26/22, 8:39 PM

My current rig for reference.. It's 29cm from my wooden plate up to the pillow, exactly the same measurement as the VPforce base.

keem85•12/26/22, 8:40 PM

Could be a bit too short throw, I don't know

keem85•12/26/22, 8:41 PM

I have another question @walmis.. Does the 'octacon' shape of your grip-mount mean that I can angle my TM grip a bit? I can't see a way to unscrew the DIN-plug in order for this to be possible.

Wwalmis Ahh, I think when DCS crashed it left the vibro effect still running, you can un...

peachmonkey•12/26/22, 9:17 PM

yup, exactly. Ok, so one thing I didn't do was unplug it from the wall, will keep that in mind! Thank you!

Kkeem85 This is literally what I just asked some real pilots about. That was actually my...

PiNKSH!T•12/27/22, 3:25 AM

Wow that's a nice looking sim pit, looks very clean. I think you'll find that even without an extension the RHINO will likely have more throw than the typical Thrustmaster gimbal design or even a cam set like in a VKB or Virpil base.

PPiNKSH!T Wow that's a nice looking sim pit, looks very clean. I think you'll find that ev...

keem85•12/27/22, 3:37 AM

Thanks! And good to know

keem85•12/27/22, 3:39 AM

Got motion with all racing equipment, rudders, joysticks and everything. Can post a few pics on showcase

Jarmak•12/30/22, 3:11 PM

@walmis what does the new endstop power setting do? is that just an overall force setting

JJarmak @walmis what does the new endstop power setting do? is that just an overall forc...

walmis•12/30/22, 3:43 PM

Hey, it's the amount of motor torque it will push to get out of the endstop zone, think of it as a spring force in the endstop zone.

Wwalmis Hey, it's the amount of motor torque it will push to get out of the endstop zone...

Jarmak•12/30/22, 6:33 PM

Are there still plans to let us independently set the logical axis scaling? i.e. set the axis scaled to 60% and the endstop at 30%

Jarmak•12/30/22, 6:34 PM

DCS handles asymmetric throw by the upper end of the smaller axis not doing anything (e.g. for the hornet the stick is at full deflection when it's at 50% of it's logical axis, when you push it past that it doesn't actually do anything in the aircraft)

Magpie•12/31/22, 2:57 AM

I think it differs between modules
In the harrier for instance it uses the whole half of the axis but the stick in the cockpit moves far less

smitty•12/31/22, 6:34 AM

can someone post a snippet from their XPForce FS2020 Config.xpfc (don't post your license info!) where the axes are configured? when i try to change the axis definitions, the software hangs. I'm hoping i can just fill out the blanks below so it'll be set up already.

[VPforce Rhino FFB Joystick]
PitchAxis=
RollAxis=
YawAxis=
SetTrimButton=
ClearTrimButton=
SetMasterButton=

[VPforce Rhino FFB Joystick]
PitchAxis=
RollAxis=
YawAxis=
SetTrimButton=
ClearTrimButton=
SetMasterButton=

JJarmak DCS handles asymmetric throw by the upper end of the smaller axis not doing anyt...

walmis•12/31/22, 11:12 AM

I think setting the endstop without setting axis scaling would hit the endstop at 50%, while reporting throw as 50% and DCS will register full throw in the hornet? I'll investigate further once I get back to my sim pit

Edit: On a second thought, Independent axis scaling sounds reasonable feature for advanced use cases. I'll revisit this.

Wwalmis I think setting the endstop without setting axis scaling would hit the endstop a...

Jarmak•12/31/22, 5:06 PM

It would but I use an extension so I'm using 60% for *full*

Edit: so I need to scale it to 60% and then set the Y+ to 50% of *that*

HHomeOfMomo Wow, that's a lot to digest. I did update AMD's chipset driver to the latest and...

ddrake1984•1/1/23, 10:51 PM

Did you end up with fixing this issue, I have the same problem with DCS crashing until I unplug the Rhino

ddrake1984•1/1/23, 11:22 PM

It crashes super quick with the viggen, but so far with the hind it doesn't

ddrake1984•1/1/23, 11:23 PM

it also crashes quickly with the mosquito

Dddrake1984 Did you end up with fixing this issue, I have the same problem with DCS crashing...

HomeOfMomo•1/2/23, 2:13 AM

Are your CPU and motherboard AMD based? If not, the underlying issue is not the same. My problem has to do with the USB controller inside AMD's chipset on the motherboard so it doesn't matter which DCS module is played. DCS freezes as long as FFB gets enabled. Thanks to @swiftvengeance, I purchased a PCIe USB card and its USB controller manages to communicate better with VPForce's USB endpoint. The problem has been completely gone since. At some point, I will write up a summary of what I have done so far to better inform @walmis and the community of this obscure problem and thank @walmis and @swiftvengeance for their help.

HHomeOfMomo Are your CPU and motherboard AMD based? If not, the underlying issue is not the ...

ddrake1984•1/2/23, 2:15 AM

I have AMD CPU and Graphics Card

ddrake1984•1/2/23, 2:16 AM

Does it happen in other games? Or just DCS? I am going to try IL-2

ddrake1984•1/2/23, 2:19 AM

Only the rhino causes this issue, I have used many other joysticks and it doesnt freeze dcs

ddrake1984•1/2/23, 2:20 AM

https://rog.asus.com/au/motherboards/rog-strix/rog-strix-b550-f-gaming-wi-fi-model/

ROG STRIX B550-F GAMING (WI-FI) | ROG STRIX B550-F GAMING (WI-FI) |...

ddrake1984•1/2/23, 2:20 AM

This is my motherboard

Dddrake1984 Does it happen in other games? Or just DCS? I am going to try IL-2

HomeOfMomo•1/2/23, 2:36 AM

I have only DCS so I can't comment on other games. I believe not all AMD based motherboards exhibit this issue. For example, this problem shows up on my X570 motherboard but never on my son's B550. The quickest way to find out if it's USB related is to try walmis' little Python program -> 🧰support. It keeps sending "Interrupt OUT" commands to VPForce's endpoint. If the endpoint ever not responds in time, you'll see this pops out on the screen.

Ye Old Grog•1/2/23, 3:23 AM

The AMD USB controller, specifically the x570chipset, has been an issue with VR as well. It has been common to recommend a PCIE USB card for people having connectivity issues.

Just some additional information to keep in mind

Hey! According to the bot 28 Rhinos have been sent atm. Walmis is, I believe, currently ramping up p

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