no, theres no usb disconnect sound or anything. your configurator still talks to it fine. but can
no, theres no usb disconnect sound or anything. your configurator still talks to it fine. but can't run hidtest anymore, instant error.
Whmm, maybe the endpoint is in NAKed state... for some reason
Sgotta run for a little bit, have a meeting to connect to
Wroger that, perhaps if you have time we could make a remote desktop session, could try a few things
HWith Wireshark capture, I found that the problem was that the ACK from Endpoint responding to Host's Interrupt OUT got stuck in Host's buffer inside AMD's USB controller. This ACK was never subsequently properly processed and fed back to the host program in the PC. For programs like DCS, it does not allow for any non response from Endpoint, therefore USB hangs causing DCS itself to freeze until USB gets reset. VPforce configurator, on the other hand, doesn't seem to care whether it gets ACK or not so it continues to chug along. The fact that the ACK finally showed up after either we unplugged the USB cable or Walmis' hidtest program cleared itself after HIDException means that the ACK was properly sent by Endpoint (VPforce controller) but, for some reason, was never processed by the USB Host controller inside AMD's chipset.
WI think I might be able to workaround this, @smitty981 ran some tests using a test firmware, and I found out the HID OUT endpoint gets stuck in NAK mode, so I will try to reset it back to active mode
HGood eyes! I didn't bother to look at the content in the ACK sent by Endpoint. The bad ACK has "IRP USBD_STATUS: USBD_STATUS_CANCELED (0xc0010000)" instead of "IRP USBD_STATUS: USBD_STATUS_SUCCESS (0x00000000)". This changes the whole dynamic. I wonder if it's possible to increase the driving strength of AMD's host USB differential driver...
WI doubt that the signalling causes this, it's running at 12mbits, I have 33ohm series resistors on the board, so should be nice and clean
HThen I have trouble understanding why there's never an USB issue when the 20V supply is shut off...
Whmm, perhaps because there's no motor communication = less interrupt load
Wmight be some race condition, that's amplified with AMD board 
Wahh, the wonderful world of embedded systems
Sha, my rudder board had motor power and the joystick didnt.. hidtest still running on joystick board no errors
HHaha! I don't envy sitting on a boiling plate... After all, AMD should have done something about it!
Dhow long do I leave the python run for?
D
DI kept it running, loaded into a DCS module viggen, exited the module and the python script stopped working
Dand now the script doesn't want to start
Dwhatever effect 7 is, is the one that hangs the system
Dsurprisingly, I was just in the spitfire and effect 7 was on/off continually, no issues, but as soon as I jumped into a mosquito, it happened pretty quickly
Sis there a way to change the singlemotor kit to the other axis? xpforce seems to want it on X
WYep, I'll get back to you
WI think I will be able to fix this today
Dooh, let me know and I can test
WIt's released 
H@walmis The new FW works for me. DCS does not freeze anymore plugging in my AMD X570 provided USB ports. Now I just need to figure out what to do with this PCIe USB card I bought. Great work!
VKeep it for troubleshooting, they come in use more often than once. unless you splurged on an $80 pcie card
HThat's what I'll do. Thanks!
WAwesome, thanks everyone helping to debug this!
Dit's working, thank you
Poh, sweet, thank you for the fix, @walmis I'm having exact same thing with my x570 and dcs crashing with effect7 (regardless which AC)
R@walmis does it matter what max psu is set to in VPForce? I have a 19.5v 11.8a psu but it doesn't really make a difference if I set it to 11.5a or 8a. In both instances it peaks around 30a on full deflection and settles to around 25a.
WLook at
Ibus value, not the motors current. Ibus is the current drawn from the PSU.ROk, will do 
R@walmis all good. Also, I was looking at Ibus during single axis pull. This, ofcourse, only pulling 5-6 amps from psu. Realised this is only one motor - pulling both axis bumped total Ibus amperage to ~11a.
Phi, @walmis , can you possibly recommend a pcie-to-usb board that actually works with Rhino (for x570 board)? I've got this one (https://www.vantecusa.com/products_detail.php?p_id=55&p_name=2-Port+USB+3.1+PCIe+%2810Gbps%29+USB-C+%26+USB+Type-A&pc_id=16&pc_name=USB&pt_id=4&pt_name=Add-on+Cards) but it doesn't work. If I don't install any drivers (for the board) the RHINO works fine (in VPforce, I see the stick moving, etc) but in Device Manager it shows Rhino with no DUF driver and DCS won't start , it's just spinning (I suspect because of that missing duf driver status). And when I installed the driver (from manuf website pcie-to-usb, some AS media usb driver) there are no more unknown/problem status in Device Manager, but VPforce client shows not connected, i.e. can't change any settings in Rhino, but DCS starts, although without detecting Rhino. At this point with Rhino connected directly to my MSI wireless tomahawk x570 DCS crashes pretty much every 10-15 minutes, (it's sooo annoying my god).... I'm about to turn off FFB because I'd rather have a stable game then FFB that crashes every 10 minutes.. 
I don't understand if it's purely a 2.8 issue or it's an AMD usb problem...
I don't understand if it's purely a 2.8 issue or it's an AMD usb problem...Vantec
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The Vantec 2-Port USB 3.1 Gen II Type A/C PCIe Host Card is design to offer the latest in USB 3.1 Technology. This Card provides clocking speed of up to 10Gbps, twice of USB 3.0 (5Gbps) and almost 20 times of USB 2.0(480Mbps). USB 3.1 SuperSpeed Plus enables you to access and transfer data extremely...
Pweird thing when I started using Rhino (before 2.8) everything worked fine, I can't remember if there were any crashes.. but now it's unbearable..
PI've updated to the latest firmware v1.0.13-4
quick update: after chatting with walmis (he's super quick to help out!) It appears the issue is related to DirectX11 and may not have anything to do with the FFB... Will update again if I manage to stabilize it via new drivers...
quick update: after chatting with walmis (he's super quick to help out!) It appears the issue is related to DirectX11 and may not have anything to do with the FFB... Will update again if I manage to stabilize it via new drivers...
WAhh, sorry to hear that. DM'd you!
DM'd you!
JDo the shift register inputs have to come in the order TM set them in their Stick, or doesn't it matter at all as long as the wiring for the input is all correct. I plan on doing a B8 Grip someone introduced but just want to put in a Shiftregister board I have laying around. Any problems to expect with that plan?
WYeah should work, first 32 bits will be registered as buttons
JVery nice, thank you for the info.
Rto map the same buttons generally though you'll need to test which is assigned to what
HQuick question, how much longer are the vpforce motors compared to the off the shelf part?
WThey're exactly the same size
Smaybe a dumb question, but I see in the Configurator software that you can select functions for Pot#1 and Pot#2. Pot#1 is the knob next to the emergency stop button; is there a pot#2 on the base? Or is that setting there for future expansion?
WThere's a free connector on the board, additional expansion for the FFB kit users. So it's essentially disconnected on the Rhino.
FIt's it possible to add it on a rhino?
Wyeah, there's a 3 pin JST-XH socket for the pot
FGood to know!
Sone other question... I couldn't help myself as soon as I got it and I started messing around with the settings in the configurator, trying out various effects, etc. I didn't save the default settings to a file though before I started. I did the Reset Config, but it doesn't seem like it restored exactly the same settings it had when I first went into the Configurator software. Is there a way to restore the original defaults? Or does someone have a screenshot of the Effects and Settings tabs with their default settings?
