Keep it for troubleshooting, they come in use more often than once. unless you splurged on an $80 pc
Keep it for troubleshooting, they come in use more often than once. unless you splurged on an $80 pcie card
HThat's what I'll do. Thanks!
WAwesome, thanks everyone helping to debug this!
Dit's working, thank you
Poh, sweet, thank you for the fix, @walmis I'm having exact same thing with my x570 and dcs crashing with effect7 (regardless which AC)
R@walmis does it matter what max psu is set to in VPForce? I have a 19.5v 11.8a psu but it doesn't really make a difference if I set it to 11.5a or 8a. In both instances it peaks around 30a on full deflection and settles to around 25a.
WLook at
Ibus value, not the motors current. Ibus is the current drawn from the PSU.ROk, will do 
R@walmis all good. Also, I was looking at Ibus during single axis pull. This, ofcourse, only pulling 5-6 amps from psu. Realised this is only one motor - pulling both axis bumped total Ibus amperage to ~11a.
Phi, @walmis , can you possibly recommend a pcie-to-usb board that actually works with Rhino (for x570 board)? I've got this one (https://www.vantecusa.com/products_detail.php?p_id=55&p_name=2-Port+USB+3.1+PCIe+%2810Gbps%29+USB-C+%26+USB+Type-A&pc_id=16&pc_name=USB&pt_id=4&pt_name=Add-on+Cards) but it doesn't work. If I don't install any drivers (for the board) the RHINO works fine (in VPforce, I see the stick moving, etc) but in Device Manager it shows Rhino with no DUF driver and DCS won't start , it's just spinning (I suspect because of that missing duf driver status). And when I installed the driver (from manuf website pcie-to-usb, some AS media usb driver) there are no more unknown/problem status in Device Manager, but VPforce client shows not connected, i.e. can't change any settings in Rhino, but DCS starts, although without detecting Rhino. At this point with Rhino connected directly to my MSI wireless tomahawk x570 DCS crashes pretty much every 10-15 minutes, (it's sooo annoying my god).... I'm about to turn off FFB because I'd rather have a stable game then FFB that crashes every 10 minutes.. 
I don't understand if it's purely a 2.8 issue or it's an AMD usb problem...
I don't understand if it's purely a 2.8 issue or it's an AMD usb problem...Vantec
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The Vantec 2-Port USB 3.1 Gen II Type A/C PCIe Host Card is design to offer the latest in USB 3.1 Technology. This Card provides clocking speed of up to 10Gbps, twice of USB 3.0 (5Gbps) and almost 20 times of USB 2.0(480Mbps). USB 3.1 SuperSpeed Plus enables you to access and transfer data extremely...
Pweird thing when I started using Rhino (before 2.8) everything worked fine, I can't remember if there were any crashes.. but now it's unbearable..
PI've updated to the latest firmware v1.0.13-4
quick update: after chatting with walmis (he's super quick to help out!) It appears the issue is related to DirectX11 and may not have anything to do with the FFB... Will update again if I manage to stabilize it via new drivers...
quick update: after chatting with walmis (he's super quick to help out!) It appears the issue is related to DirectX11 and may not have anything to do with the FFB... Will update again if I manage to stabilize it via new drivers...
WAhh, sorry to hear that. DM'd you!
DM'd you!
JDo the shift register inputs have to come in the order TM set them in their Stick, or doesn't it matter at all as long as the wiring for the input is all correct. I plan on doing a B8 Grip someone introduced but just want to put in a Shiftregister board I have laying around. Any problems to expect with that plan?
WYeah should work, first 32 bits will be registered as buttons
JVery nice, thank you for the info.
Rto map the same buttons generally though you'll need to test which is assigned to what
HQuick question, how much longer are the vpforce motors compared to the off the shelf part?
WThey're exactly the same size
Smaybe a dumb question, but I see in the Configurator software that you can select functions for Pot#1 and Pot#2. Pot#1 is the knob next to the emergency stop button; is there a pot#2 on the base? Or is that setting there for future expansion?
WThere's a free connector on the board, additional expansion for the FFB kit users. So it's essentially disconnected on the Rhino.
FIt's it possible to add it on a rhino?
Wyeah, there's a 3 pin JST-XH socket for the pot
FGood to know!
Sone other question... I couldn't help myself as soon as I got it and I started messing around with the settings in the configurator, trying out various effects, etc. I didn't save the default settings to a file though before I started. I did the Reset Config, but it doesn't seem like it restored exactly the same settings it had when I first went into the Configurator software. Is there a way to restore the original defaults? Or does someone have a screenshot of the Effects and Settings tabs with their default settings?
WHere's a baseline config, just do the axis calibration again 
rhino_10_config.vpconf5.46KB
SI know :-D, but in my defense this is the first FFB joystick I've had in like 20 years. I'm like a kid in a candy shop...
Sthanks!
JTried to update firmware and it failed with the error "Error: TypeError: Cannot read properties of undefined (reading 'CanDnload')". Now the stick is completely unresponsive (looks like the firmware is bad), the web utility sees it as a bootloader not the stick. Keeps failing when I try to update again to reinstall the firmware.
Jjust gave me this error on another try: Error: Error during DFU download: DFU GETSTATUS failed: ControlTransferIn failed: NetworkError: Failed to execute 'controlTransferIn' on 'USBDevice': A transfer error has occurred.
JFixed! Unplugged it from the USB hub and direct into my motherboard and it worked
WGlad to hear it worked!
SOne more question... I've been really enjoying it so far, trying it out in all the planes, etc. After a few mins of intense dogfighting, the fans kick on. Am I correct to assume that the motors will not be damaged by continuous use at near max power? (with max motor current set to 30.0 A and PSU max set to 7.0 A as in the default settings) I assume they will reduce power draw if they start getting too hot?
WYep, thermal throttling is implemented
MI swear the room smells like ozone if I have the force to high and the fans kick in!
SIs there a manual somewhere? I connected it and calibrated it in windows. Then I opened VP Configurator and assigned my stick (virpil constellation) . Stored the config and sent it to (clicked those two buttons on the bottom of the configurator). In DCS no joy.
FDid you bind the joystick buttons in DCS?
SIn DCS I found I had to enable FF in the options, and bind the base axes to pitch and roll, and then restart DCS in order for the FF to start working.
SOK! it's working. Thank you @sliphavoc . Only problem now is that the stick wants to pull back (in the A10) Flying level requires constant forward pressure.
SVP Configurator screens look like this:
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Sany suggestions on settings for damper, inertia, friction, endstops, constant force options?
SI inverted the y axis and still have the same problem-constant back pressure needed for level flight. Fix?
VYour dot isn't centered on the axis map there, is it supposed to be?
Sat rest, in the usb game control panel, the dot is centered. However, when I get into the A10, and press fly, the stick 'comes alive'. It wants to assume a somewhat pitch down condition at rest. If I jump in the control options window, the Y axis shows about half way to the left (down) at rest. Full excursion is possible but obviously with a good amount of 'force feedback'
MI think this is why he makes balance spring
WJumped in the A-10C free flight and yes it's neutral trim is pitched down about half, but it flies level no problem with the stick facing forward
MI just make the y axis finish earlier that the physical limit when I calibrate it
AThat would indicate high electric field that was high enough to arc and cause the ionization of the air 
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WNah, it's probably new plastic smell from the fans
