I have mine rotated 180 degrees so the stick is closer to my crotch (giggity). So when flying helis,

I have mine rotated 180 degrees so the stick is closer to my crotch (giggity). So when flying helis, my arm can rest on my knee (like it should in real life to allow fingertip control of the stick). BTW, what is that screen setup in front of you? Did you print that? And make a controller from a pro micro arduino?

Beathmeister•2/2/23, 3:35 PM

Have people had good experiences adding flightstick extensions to the Rhino? I was planning to add the 200mm VPC one (along with the VFX grip) to give me a more realistic F-14 setup. I’m a bit worried that it’s going to be shaking all over the place once I hit the buffet but I guess I can adjust this in the VPForce configurator.

SskyPickle I have mine rotated 180 degrees so the stick is closer to my crotch (giggity). S...

Anthony•2/2/23, 3:37 PM

That’s smart, I’ve been thinking about how far away the stick will stop from me when trimmed far forward

Reed•2/2/23, 3:50 PM

Im going to add a 35cm curved extension to mine

skyPickleOP•2/2/23, 3:57 PM

Without an extension the stick ends up as far from the mounting point as a virpil with an extension. So then you have to put the rhino close to the floor

DeltaVJ•2/2/23, 4:32 PM

I have this in my possetion, has someone here tried to adapt a real helicopter grip to his base? (Rhino or not)

DeltaVJ•2/2/23, 4:42 PM

DeltaVJ•2/2/23, 4:42 PM

nationalgeography•2/2/23, 4:49 PM

How tall is this unit?

DeltaVJ•2/2/23, 5:20 PM

mechsicko•2/2/23, 6:25 PM

Weird looking ceiling lamp :p

mechsicko•2/2/23, 6:30 PM

Oh now I see, it's for an Australian helicopter

RReed Im going to add a 35cm curved extension to mine

PiNKSH!T•2/2/23, 6:30 PM

depending on the weight of your grip that's going to be a lot of leverage, I have the VKB MCGU on the 200mm curved extension & I don't think you'd want to go any higher with the same sort of weight.

Reed•2/2/23, 6:32 PM

I'll be using a virpil alpha.

Reed•2/2/23, 6:34 PM

BBeathmeister Have people had good experiences adding flightstick extensions to the Rhino? I w...

PiNKSH!T•2/2/23, 6:35 PM

With the vkb 200mm extension the RHINO feels really nice still, with the less heavy KG12 grip on it's definitely a noticeable difference in feel but I can adjust this in the VPforce settings, I use the grips in different planes too so the settings are different.

Reed•2/2/23, 6:35 PM

44cm from top to bottim

Reed•2/2/23, 6:35 PM

I only fly helicopters.

Reed•2/2/23, 6:36 PM

walmis said it would be ok

DDeltaVJ I have this in my possetion, has someone here tried to adapt a real helicopter g...

PiNKSH!T•2/2/23, 6:36 PM

If you can wire the buttons, HAT's, switches to one of Walmis's shift registers then it should talk to the RHINO base fine

RReed I'll be using a virpil alpha.

PiNKSH!T•2/2/23, 6:38 PM

Have you decided where you'll mount the RHINO? it's a fair bit larger than other bases, you may only need a 200mm extension if the RHINO end up higher when it's mounted

Reed•2/2/23, 6:39 PM

WHats dimensions from floor to top of grip adapter?

PiNKSH!T•2/2/23, 6:39 PM

oh & this is a total game changer when it comes to flying heli's in sim!

Reed•2/2/23, 6:40 PM

On the floor where the current stick is, it's gopt about 6inches of space below it

Reed•2/2/23, 6:40 PM

I can shim up or down as needed

Reed•2/2/23, 6:40 PM

I can also cut the extension down, too. Its just bent alum.

RReed WHats dimensions from floor to top of grip adapter?

PiNKSH!T•2/2/23, 6:41 PM

from base to vkb adapter is like 30cm/1ft

PiNKSH!T•2/2/23, 6:41 PM

there are dimensions in the faq channel

Nnationalgeography How tall is this unit?

PiNKSH!T•2/2/23, 6:44 PM

Dimensions are in the faq channel, but it's about 30cm/1ft from bottom of base to the top of the grip connection

Reed•2/2/23, 6:46 PM

11,414, I assume is inches?

PiNKSH!T•2/2/23, 6:48 PM

if that's 11.414 then yeah it'd say it's inches

Reed•2/2/23, 6:48 PM

I might need to cut an 1" off my extension, which is totally fine

PiNKSH!T•2/2/23, 6:51 PM

yeah the RHINO compared to other bases already feels like it has a 100mm extension, but as you would know flying heli's you want that extension

Reed•2/2/23, 6:53 PM

It's going to be great.

fastjet273•2/3/23, 9:12 AM

fastjet273•2/3/23, 9:12 AM

#0038 has arrived to its owner yesterday :)

fastjet273•2/3/23, 9:13 AM

Very good packaging, no damage during transport. Looks very well built and sturdy.

fastjet273•2/3/23, 9:13 AM

Unfortunately its going to be at least 1-2 weeks before I can dedicate some real time to this baby.

fastjet273•2/3/23, 9:14 AM

Thanks @walmis

walmis•2/3/23, 9:15 AM

Awesome! Thanks for the update

Jamie D.•2/3/23, 5:09 PM

Walmis, your policy on not taking payment until you gave all parts in stock is great. I wonder though, would it help you scale up production if you asked for payment earlier, even if just for a partial amount as a deposit? I for one would be willing to pay all or part of the cost of my order much earlier, if it would help you to build up your business and increase production rate. I know this might not be possible or practical for every customer, but I would bet many of us would support this model given your proven ability to deliver on your commitments.

JJamie D.Walmis, your policy on not taking payment until you gave all parts in stock is g...

skyPickleOP•2/3/23, 5:22 PM

I think thats the path to stress and anxiety for walmis. Even if he hires more people they are not as likely to be effective ( he has to train them) and he makes less money (he has to pay them)

Jon (Bounty_V)•2/3/23, 6:17 PM

As I understand it adding on more people will take time and would not result in an immediate increase in production. He has mentioned previously he does have plans for increasing production over time, so perhaps we'll see some of that come into place later this year.

SskyPickle I think thats the path to stress and anxiety for walmis. Even if he hires more p...

Jamie D.•2/3/23, 6:20 PM

Indeed, you may be right, and my comment was intended more as an offer than as a suggestion, as I'm sure Walmis knows best how he wants to run his business.

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mechsicko•2/5/23, 5:45 AM

Yes, and for that you can jumpstart the project by modding an MSFFII, which already has the architecture. Changing current sensing circuit and adding caps/diodes/mosfets you can get it up to respectable torque ranges.

Brushed motors are definitely inferior to brushless though, and unless you have a cheap source of skewed armature motors you aren't really going to save much money. Brushless motors are anti-cogged with software, brushed motors need to natively have minimal cogging hence helical armatures.

You can save a lot of time and hassle to make something much superior with one of walmis's kits.. besides being BLDC there are tons of quality of life features and the components reduced to amazing simplicity

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mechsicko•2/5/23, 7:47 PM

I don't' think talking about the same motors here lol. With brushed DC for force feedback you need exotic skewed armature types to minimize magnetic cogging vs brushless which can be compensated digitally.

This puts them into a whole different category than generic cheapos on Amazon. Pittman Lo-Cog, Glentec servos are a few I know of offhand. Apparently electric power steering units use some kind as well, though hard to find specs on and specs are needed before you can tailor drives for them. Acquiring suitable motors is the only easy part of a project like this.

Here's what my Pittman motors look like inside. New they are over $200 apiece, smaller ones aren't much cheaper and it's just as much work to make a weak stick as a strong one, cause and the hardware only half the story. I was lucky to find used ones south of $50 ea which are in the voltage/amperage range to use to hotrod MSFFII following Roland van Roy's mod, a project I've abandoned because in the end is a ton of work for comparitively mediocre results. Here's a link to his page if you're really serious about this. Even the best MSFFII hack or full diy roll your own will be a cumbersome dinosaur compared to what you can much more easily make with current brushless options

Full diy: http://www.simprojects.nl/diy_force_feedback_interfacing.htm

msffii hack http://www.simprojects.nl/ms_siderwinder_ff2_hack.htm

..here's a functional digital/analog circuit I came up with for force feedback effects based on telemetry, Roland tested it and I think used it to replace all his LED/LDR circuits that performed a similar function

mechsicko•2/5/23, 8:01 PM

Others have already spent thousands of dollars and hours solving a lot of problems over the years that anyone coming fresh to this has yet to even discover are a problem yet. That's more what I meant by you aren't gonna save money this route, even if your time is worth nothing to you. If it were as easy as just buying a couple motors on amazon there would have been lots of great diy additions over the years but success in this space is limited to a select few that really knew their stuff and stayed on target.

mechsicko•2/5/23, 8:03 PM

...a good starting place to try to get up to speed is the 'Honey' thread Propeller started https://forum.dcs.world/topic/246873-honey-i-developed-ffb-joystick-diy/#comments

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Honey, I developed FFB joystick (DIY)

Finally, it is time to introduce my FFB joystick prototype! I spent a lot of time and learned a lot of new stuff when work on it. So here what is already implemented: - Works as standard USB FFB device, understands standard FFB protocol. No drivers. No plugins. - Supports spring, constant, ramp a...

mechsicko•2/5/23, 8:12 PM

Also, no one is using steppers. walmis's kit uses Nema23 or Nema34 brushless servos. Steppers are unsuitable for FF

Jon (Bounty_V)•2/6/23, 4:10 AM

https://youtu.be/Tgka4Ho7-NY

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I Built a Working LEGO Flight Joystick

In this video I made a working Lego flight stick using a mechanism that moves my mouse.

The flight stick was designed to look like the F-18 stick, just like in Top Gun Maverick. I ended up using the flight stick to play War Thunder, and it worked flawlessly.

Timestamps:
0:00 Intro
0:24 Designing the Mechanism
3:41 Adding the Trigger
4:54 Epic ...

DrQuinn•2/6/23, 4:40 PM

For those that have the stick, how much play/backlash do you find around center?

I have mine rotated 180 degrees so the stick is closer to my crotch (giggity). So when flying helis,

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