default also pulls the stick to center when the trim button is released
default also pulls the stick to center when the trim button is released
Pok something must of changed recently then, I'll have a look at my settings when I can
PI'll jump on DCS later & have a look with my RHINO, but just checked then & my settings are on default? Are you running the force trim through VPforce app? & are you running the Telemetry app too? I wasn't using either of those last time I was in the Huey, something might be going on there?
Sno i had not enabled force trim in the VPforce app. What settings would one use there?
PSorry do you mean what setting would you use in DCS with the VPforce Force trim enabled?
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Pyeah that's the setting, have you had that enabled while flying the Huey?
Syes, i just did. makes no diff. With Huey special setting on default and the VPforce as above, the stick still wants to go back to center on trim release
PYeah I think that might interfere with DCS's FFB, I think it's mainly just for sims like msfs that don't have ffb or force trim. I'm not sure what's going on, if you have no other things running like that force trim setting or the Telemetry app & you have the in-game settings right I'm not sure why it's not working. I'll check it out on my settings when I get the chance
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WAlso make sure "Forced effect" is not enabled for the spring. That will override DCS's trim.
SForced effect is disabled for all feedback types. I have enabled spring, damper, friction
Hcan you only activate force trim on pitch?
Sproblem with MSFS: I calibrated the stick in joy.cpl as well as VPConfigurator. However, in MSFS, it thinks the stick is off to the right.
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Swhat do you mean? When I release the forced trim button, the stick wants to recenter. Regardless of the special DCS option for the Huey.
HI mean for flying gliders in other simulators
Sforce trim does not exist in other airframes. you just trim with dedicated controls
PSome airplanes have only pitch trim and while it is usually (...trying to thing of an exception for fixed wing, but don't know any, so let's say -- pretty much always) operated with a separate control (wheel, or sometimes switches) it might also move the stick into a new pitch "neutral" position. I assume Rhino supports that?
PHey m8, So in something like msfs (you need a 3rd party software to have ffb effects in msfs2020) generally speaking the trim wheel or switch will move the stick to a new 'trimmed position' either forward or back from the center. However most of the 3rd parts apps for ffb in msfs don't have force trim implemented for heli's, this is where you can use the force trim keybind feature from VPforce app. DCS ffb effects depend on the module maker & what they implemented, the Huey & Ka 50 both have 'propper' acting force trim where when you activate the button the stick will loose basically all resistance & once you move it to the desired 'trimmed position' you release the trim button & the stick will stay in the new position as it's center. Other games/sims like IL2 have ffb enabled natively & you also get stick movement with trim. So DCS ffb & trim effects depend on the module unless you use VPforce Telemetry App. MSFS2020 needs a 3rd party app for ffb effects but generally doesn't have force trim for heli's but trim wheels etc. will move the stick in fixed wing. IL2 has good ffb effects all around including stick movement with trim. Basically whatever telemetry can be sent to the RHINO from the sim/game it can turn them into ffb effects.
SThe HUEY is not functioning as you describe. Only the Apache has a functioning trim button. When I release the trim button in the Huey, the stick does not stay where I put it but rather goes back to center.
WDon't do calibration in windows (reset it), Only VPforce app calibration is needed.
HA lot of gliders have a trim button that changes the pitch trim to the position that the stick is in, that's why I'm asking if you can only activate it for one axis.
WSure, don't see why you couldn't
HIs that supported by vpforce software?
SSo does the huey module not behave properly? Should I just turn off spring effect for it?
DNot sure about the Huey, but other Bell helicopters I've flown without autopilot IRL, you only use the force trim while on the ground.
SI can give it a try
YI'm thinking it's the in dcs setting. Instead of center trim. I just don't play it enough to say
PHey m8, sorry been busy irl. If I enable the constant Force in the effects tab the stick get's pulled to the back right a few degrees, maybe about 10% or so of the total axis movement, this only seems to happen though when I have the end stops enabled. I can post my screenshots of the settings
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WWhy do you enable constant force?
WIt's used to counterbalance asymmetric weight, such as Virpil Z extension
Pahh ok, sorry I must be misunderstanding when you asked if I have "Constant effects" slider turned off by chance?
WIt's in the Settings tab
WMight need to rename things to be more intuitive 
Pthe problem was I'm not getting any feelings in the f18 of taxi & takeoff rumble, basically only feeling AoA buffeting & gun rumble, is this normal or should I change some settings?
Plikely more just a me thing 
WIn the settings -> Constant slider should be at max
Pahh ok, I'll give this a go & let you know
Pfeels like it's all working now Walmis, thanks again for helping me out. This thing is just so..... 
AI don't quite understand. Is this behavior realistic. If I'm honest, it does bother me. Is it possible to correct this in the DCS settings?
AFor what it's worth, MSFFB-stick behaves the same. Neutral position is forward from center.
SI'm trying to get a handle on some of the telemetry data DCS is sending out. Some aircraft are different than others. So I downloaded and executed Walmis' wonderful VPForce-TelemFFB github. I installed it and got it to run.
SHere for example is some of the output:
SBut I want to get a 'recording' to compare various aircraft.
SSo I installed teleplot and got it to run as well.
SI know teleplot is working because this command:
Secho "myData:1234" | ncat -u -w5 127.0.0.1 47269 actually results in a chart on a browser window opened to 127.0.0.1:8080 (This is the port that the teleplot server uses.)
S(ncat is the windows version of netcat)