Mine just turned up 🙂 I currently play A10C and BS2 - but want to learn more helis - is there a "th

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I currently play A10C and BS2 - but want to learn more helis - is there a "the best supported heli in DCS for vpforce is <what?>" - considering both the vpforce software and the current DCS FFB bugs?

FFred Mine just turned up 🙂 I currently play A10C and BS2 - but want to learn more he...

PiNKSH!T•2/18/23, 6:07 AM

hey m8, I can only speak for the Huey & Ka 50 bs2 I have the bs3 but not had time ti do my bindings etc. yet. With the VPforce DCS Telemetry App running in the Huey I get effects for most of the flight, etl etc. but the biggest game changer for me when it comes to the RHINO & flying Heli's is the force trim, that has been huge to me, it's made things feel so much better especially for hovering stationary, well somewhat stationary

. The Ka 50 has been just as improved by the RHINO though I haven't flown it yet with the Telem app too, on the Telem app it's great, it adds effects without over riding any default effects from the module itself. I've been intending on testing the free Blackhawk mod with the RHINO & telemetry app I've flown it before owning the Rhino but not since, also for mods like this if they don't support ffb or force trim natively the VPforce telem app should take over completely & you can use the VPforce config app to bind force trim buttons to your stick also. I'm planning on testing this out today. As for your question as to what dcs heli is best supported, I think the Vpforce Telemetry App will make them all great with the Rhino so mainly look for the best flight model. Also that blackhawk is really good.

PiNKSH!T•2/18/23, 7:36 AM

taking this up in support

LeLv30_Superbus•2/18/23, 10:50 AM

What's A (mm)? Rebuilding my pit in preparation and the front panel is probably too close because maximum throw is 22° (that's not in FAQ yet btw)

LLeLv30_Superbus What's A (mm)? Rebuilding my pit in preparation and the front panel is probably ...

walmis•2/18/23, 11:06 AM

It's 125mm

LeLv30_Superbus•2/18/23, 12:43 PM

Geezus with the trigger folded I need 20 cm space

I need a longer base plate under my rig. (Very rough measurements just by copying the dimensions already in the pictures - I don't have my Rhino yet)

walmis•2/18/23, 12:47 PM

You can also rotate it around

Reed•2/18/23, 2:32 PM

Rotating 180 to use the short side won’t have any issues? I’ll need to that for my pit?

Reed•2/18/23, 2:33 PM

You’ve also programmed virtual end stops so throw can be controlled ?

walmis•2/18/23, 2:48 PM

Yeah no problem in using it rotated. Yeah, it's also possible to devise a 3d printable hardware throw limiter. I'll do some prototypes soon.

GitHub•2/18/23, 2:56 PM

walmis

[VPforce-TelemFFB:master] 1 new commit

1e5b48a1e5b48a Fix A-10C AoA readings - Valmantas Paliksa

AndyHill•2/18/23, 3:08 PM

I mounted the rhino backwards and i'm a model citizen, so there should be no issues

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PiNKSH!T•2/18/23, 4:16 PM

if we just do 'git pull' will that update the telem app with this

PPiNKSH!T if we just do 'git pull' will that update the telem app with this 👆 ?

leninjahd•2/18/23, 4:22 PM

Yes

leninjahd•2/18/23, 4:22 PM

Double check that you install the new Updated Export Script

PiNKSH!T•2/18/23, 4:23 PM

ahh nice, I've used that for updating the whole thing but wasn't sure if it's the same for updates like this one

leninjahd•2/18/23, 5:05 PM

Hey @walmis,

I currently have a 24V, 10A Power Supply for the 57BLF03 motors. Do you think it would make sense to upgrade to something like 20A? Or is there some sort of Limit on how much the Motors can take?

Thanks!

DeltaVJ•2/18/23, 5:50 PM

A version with less angle could use a bigger wheel to get more power?

AndyHill•2/18/23, 5:55 PM

Possibly yes, but it would also probably need to be bigger, because the current wheels are pretty much as big as you can fit

DeltaVJ•2/18/23, 5:59 PM

5 more cm in height

DeltaVJ•2/18/23, 5:59 PM

For the "short Travel version"

DeltaVJ•2/18/23, 5:59 PM

Would be perfect

AndyHill•2/18/23, 6:27 PM

making the small wheel smaller might also be an option, unless we're close to practical minimum size or something

AndyHill•2/18/23, 6:28 PM

however, I don't know if the size of the wheels has anything to do with throw, since the motors can do several (unlimited?) rotations

AndyHill•2/18/23, 6:28 PM

I think It's going to be more of a factor of speed vs strength

DeltaVJ•2/18/23, 6:46 PM

yes that's two independent thing, but i was thinking of it to compensate the extension that would be use with a short angle verison

LLeLv30_Superbus Geezus with the trigger folded I need 20 cm space 😬 I need a longer base plate...

mechsicko•2/18/23, 7:19 PM

Planes with long shafts don’t use high displacement irl, usually more like +-15 to 17deg.. long throws are not needed with long levers plus they interfere with cockpit ergonomics as you are discovering

Lleninjahd Hey @walmis, I currently have a 24V, 10A Power Supply for the 57BLF03 motors. D...

mechsicko•2/18/23, 8:52 PM

24v is marginal for the drive, though your psu is plenty powerful

JakeSixx33 | 744 |•2/18/23, 10:08 PM

@walmis Is it possible to limit throw length thru the software? Or could it be added? The Hornet only has 2.5 inches of forward throw and 5" to the rear on an arm of 18.58" to the reference point on the grip.

Stoned Kakapo•2/19/23, 1:20 AM

this might have been asked already, but to the rhino and rhino kit owners, do you see much of a benefit using an extension, or without on this base?

SStoned Kakapo this might have been asked already, but to the rhino and rhino kit owners, do yo...

PiNKSH!T•2/19/23, 2:40 AM

I can only answer for using an extension. The RHINO has a huge throw on it even without the extension, depending on how you sit in relation to the base the forward throw can be almost too much with the extension (200mm Curved VKB). Software Endstops are great for this though, but a series of physical plates with the different end stops would be even better for that definite clunk when hitting axis end, even just one plate that reduces the forward throw a bit would be good. Tbh I'd rather have the extra throw to play with & use end stops, Walmis is still working on implementing the software end stops even better. Having said all this I do believe the RHINO has enough throw on it you don't have to have an extension if you need to mount it higher & one won't fit, I mean compared to a normal joystick without extension the RHINO's throw is huge & comparing the RHINO with an extension to a VKB/style base with one, it's still a fair bit bigger.

JJakeSixx33 | 744 |@walmis Is it possible to limit throw length thru the software? Or could it be a...

C4N4DN•2/19/23, 2:44 AM

You can limit the throw and it will auto adjust the axis. Even a non linear throw. I have mine set to 50% less forward and about 20% less side to side throw. Walmis is a very talented man!

Reed•2/19/23, 2:44 AM

Matching the throw from the Rhino with the throw from the in game aircraft so its 1:1 and realistic. I only fly helicopters, so this will be important, especially concerning trim.

CC4N4DN You can limit the throw and it will auto adjust the axis. Even a non linear thro...

Vulcan•2/19/23, 3:13 AM

What settings did you set to achieve this? I'd like to give it a shot

VVulcan What settings did you set to achieve this? I'd like to give it a shot

PiNKSH!T•2/19/23, 3:15 AM

go into the effects tab, look for the End Stops box, you can change the settings there & tick the box that says 'Rescale Axis'

PiNKSH!T•2/19/23, 3:16 AM

the % in there you change is the % of total throw you want, so 10% is only going to give you 10% of total travel distance, 50% gives you half travel etc.

PiNKSH!T•2/19/23, 3:17 AM

you can set it so the + & - of the axis are asymmetric

Ragnar•2/19/23, 9:31 AM

@stonedkakapo I went from VKB with 20cm extension, to Rhino without. Ballpark similar and never felt need to add extension with Rhino (flying a mix of helo's and planes from all gen's)

Magpie•2/19/23, 9:44 AM

I added the virpil extension

Magpie•2/19/23, 9:44 AM

It just felt weird without one

Magpie•2/19/23, 9:44 AM

And I just limited the axis

RRagnar @stonedkakapo I went from VKB with 20cm extension, to Rhino without. Ballpark si...

Volk•2/19/23, 9:53 AM

reading that from a second person makes me very happy on not getting an extension

AndyHill•2/19/23, 11:10 AM

The Rhino basically comes with a built-in extension and the throw is huge so there's less need for extensions

AndyHill•2/19/23, 11:11 AM

if you add a vkb or ww adapter, it becomes even taller

SStoned Kakapo this might have been asked already, but to the rhino and rhino kit owners, do yo...

ju_caesar•2/19/23, 11:28 AM

The problem with an additional extension will also be that the force you feel at the stick will be smaller because you have a bigger lever with which you pull on the gimbal.

Jju_caesar The problem with an additional extension will also be that the force you feel at...

Stoned Kakapo•2/19/23, 1:58 PM

Would it be that noticeable even with those big motors?

Stoned Kakapo•2/19/23, 1:59 PM

Thanks for all the replies guys! I'm regretting having that virpil extension on back order since January now

SStoned Kakapo Thanks for all the replies guys! I'm regretting having that virpil extension on ...

PiNKSH!T•2/19/23, 2:02 PM

no need to regret it m8, I use the 200mm extension & I still feel enough force from it & still haven't put the master gain up past 90%. I can get the stick feeling really stiff for flying warbirds, of course without the extra leverage you'll feel a bit more, but I don't think it's enough of a difference to worry about m8

Reed•2/19/23, 2:31 PM

I’ll be using a 35cm curbed extension for a helo sim pit. I know I’ll have plenty of throw. Only issue I see is wearing out belt and motors earlier.

RReed I’ll be using a 35cm curbed extension for a helo sim pit. I know I’ll have plent...

ju_caesar•2/19/23, 2:34 PM

Why would that wear out the belt and motor faster?

RReed I’ll be using a 35cm curbed extension for a helo sim pit. I know I’ll have plent...

PiNKSH!T•2/19/23, 2:34 PM

hey m8, from what I understand the motors have no contacting parts & therefore should be extremely resistant to wear. Also with the size of the RHINO itself & the fact it's already pretty much got a small extension, maybe only like 50mm or so I'd be surprised if you needed a 35cm extension or that it could even be too high for your seat. Obviously you know more about your set up than me though

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