in your xpforce Config.xpfc i had to add the axes manually since it crashed anytime i tried to set t

in your xpforce Config.xpfc i had to add the axes manually since it crashed anytime i tried to set them in the app. after that, it just works.

[VPforce Rhino FFB Joystick]
PitchAxis=Y Axis
RollAxis=X Axis
YawAxis=
SetTrimButton=
ClearTrimButton=
SetMasterButton=None

[VPforce Rhino FFB Joystick]
PitchAxis=Y Axis
RollAxis=X Axis
YawAxis=
SetTrimButton=
ClearTrimButton=
SetMasterButton=None

[VPforce Rhino FFB Joystick]
PitchAxis=Y Axis
RollAxis=X Axis
YawAxis=
SetTrimButton=
ClearTrimButton=
SetMasterButton=None

[VPforce Rhino FFB Joystick]
PitchAxis=Y Axis
RollAxis=X Axis
YawAxis=
SetTrimButton=
ClearTrimButton=
SetMasterButton=None

amadeus•2/21/23, 5:17 AM

Is it possible to mix in effects from the configuration software with existing ffb effects from say IL2?

amadeus•2/21/23, 5:18 AM

I.E. add a wee bit of friction

Aamadeus Is it possible to mix in effects from the configuration software with existing f...

walmis•2/21/23, 5:22 AM

Yup, you can mix in the settings for damper, inertia etc. into the game. Just set them in the configurator to your liking and they will be applied in game too.

amadeus•2/21/23, 5:24 AM

So if you want to keep the game’s effects clean, you should do which one?

1) uncheck all the effects
Or
2) turn all the general effect sliders to 0?

amadeus•2/21/23, 5:25 AM

(Trying to fully understand all the parts of the software

)

walmis•2/21/23, 5:28 AM

So in effects tab those are like augmented effects, that work if the game doesn't set them. And also additional stuff like endstops. In the settings tab, those sliders are global "volume" controls. So if the game has annoying rumble, etc, you can tune down those separately.

amadeus•2/21/23, 5:29 AM

Icic, so if IL2 sets friction, it would override mine? Or you fancy and mux?

walmis•2/21/23, 5:30 AM

So if you have damper at 100% in effects, and damper is 20% in settings, total damper output will be 20%

amadeus•2/21/23, 5:30 AM

Gotcha, makes sense

walmis•2/21/23, 5:30 AM

50% and 50% would be 25% etc

amadeus•2/21/23, 5:31 AM

I noticed be default, only spring was at 100%, probably best to have all those general sliders start at 100% right? And tune down if they feel wrong or off

amadeus•2/21/23, 5:33 AM

The other general thing I was wondering, has anyone created any interesting configs and shared them?

walmis•2/21/23, 5:34 AM

Try damper and inertia by increasing gradually, too much can cause instability or oscillations.

amadeus•2/21/23, 5:34 AM

I found friction at anything higher than 5-8% was causing oscillations

walmis•2/21/23, 5:34 AM

Yeah, I need to tune that a bit

amadeus•2/21/23, 5:34 AM

Which… felt wrong for friction? Maybe a bug?

walmis•2/21/23, 5:35 AM

It's hard to simulate friction with such a dynamic system

amadeus•2/21/23, 5:35 AM

Yeah, no doubt

amadeus•2/21/23, 5:36 AM

I’ve only really applied it to spring physics before

amadeus•2/21/23, 5:36 AM

Not as something wholly separate

walmis•2/21/23, 5:37 AM

I'll post a config for better friction tuning later

amadeus•2/21/23, 5:38 AM

I like it as a way to reduce oscillations

walmis•2/21/23, 5:40 AM

Damper is preferable to damp spring oscillations

ddrake1984•2/21/23, 5:44 AM

Could make a table for settings? Certain effects see section x and for certain (more specifica) effects see section x.y

amadeus•2/21/23, 5:45 AM

Oh one final question for now, after calibrating, and setting a spring, the joystick seems to return to center at 49% and 49%?

walmis•2/21/23, 5:48 AM

49? The best place to check is the telemetry data in the left side of VP configurator, it should come close to 0 for x and y

walmis•2/21/23, 5:49 AM

Also don't do windows calibration, reset to default if you did. That will definitely cause some strange issues down the road.

amadeus•2/21/23, 6:26 AM

Oh def did not do windows calibration, meant the rhino config app calibration

amadeus•2/21/23, 6:26 AM

The 49% I got from the VPC Joystick Tester tool

amadeus•2/21/23, 7:39 AM

What does Saturation pertain too in the different effects?

amadeus•2/21/23, 7:40 AM

i tried like damper at 100%, and then saturation at 0%, and then saturation at 100%, and i am struggling to tell the difference

amadeus•2/21/23, 7:41 AM

and does forced effectforced effect ensure the effect is always on?

Wwalmis Can you post a screenshot of the telemetry window with that mod running?

PiNKSH!T•2/21/23, 8:09 AM

Hey m8, I posted the Telem app screenshots for the Blackhawk their a few posts up, also the force trim wasn't working, I was using my vkb mgcu with the loopback app to bind the force trim buttons in the config app.

Ssmitty in your xpforce Config.xpfc i had to add the axes manually since it crashed anyt...

fastjet273•2/21/23, 8:21 AM

thanks for the details but that didn't do the trick. I still don't see anything in the feedback tab on the xpforce with Rhino selected. On VP force config everything looks good. I wonder if it's not a DirectX problem

fastjet273•2/21/23, 8:23 AM

Anyone using rhino in fs2020? Experienced similar problems?

Aamadeus i tried like damper at 100%, and then saturation at 0%, and then saturation at 1...

ddrake1984•2/21/23, 8:32 AM

Saturation should reduce the axis range… but not sure if its the same in VPForce software

amadeus•2/21/23, 8:36 AM

you mean the saturation seen here for each effect?

amadeus•2/21/23, 8:36 AM

this is the saturation i am unclear on, since i can't seem to feel the effect difference, or if there is one, i can't tell what is different

walmis•2/21/23, 8:54 AM

saturation limits max force with the same slope

walmis•2/21/23, 8:58 AM

saturation at 0 is disabled, 100% means limit force value at 100% motor power, 50% limits the force at 50% motor power - etc.

walmis•2/21/23, 8:59 AM

Generally you don't need to touch it, unless you know what you're doing

walmis•2/21/23, 9:01 AM

I've also moved some settings to "advanced" in the development version, since some of the options add more confusion, than usefulness.

walmis•2/21/23, 9:02 AM

Graphically, saturation for spring at 50% would be equivalent to this:

walmis•2/21/23, 9:02 AM

fastjet273•2/21/23, 9:37 AM

coming back to the XPForce/FS2020 saga,

it seems XPForce cannot connect to the Rhino. In the screenshot below the "Joystick Active" should be ticked and i should see the joystick movements...that seems to be locked out

Ffastjet273 coming back to the XPForce/FS2020 saga, 🤨 it seems XPForce cannot connect to t...

PiNKSH!T•2/21/23, 9:40 AM

Hmm that's strange, though it's been several weeks since I've flown in msfs2020 last time I did XPForce worked fine with the Rhino.

fastjet273•2/21/23, 9:41 AM

i tried Xplane 11 as well. plugin installed with no problems..same story..the XPForce doesn't connect to the Rhino. It seems to be something related to my system

PPiNKSH!T Hmm that's strange, though it's been several weeks since I've flown in msfs2020 ...

fastjet273•2/21/23, 9:42 AM

could you check again that nothing broke after the last FW update? Tnx!

fastjet273•2/21/23, 11:09 AM

Ok, Walmis helped me directly. I had the "Forced effect" flag on in VP configurator. This was overwriting the XP force effects.

fastjet273•2/21/23, 11:10 AM

Also I had the gains too low..now seems to work. I'll play a bit more with it

in your xpforce Config.xpfc i had to add the axes manually since it crashed anytime i tried to set t

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