i tried like damper at 100%, and then saturation at 0%, and then saturation at 100%, and i am strugg
i tried like damper at 100%, and then saturation at 0%, and then saturation at 100%, and i am struggling to tell the difference
Aand does
forced effect ensure the effect is always on?
PHey m8, I posted the Telem app screenshots for the Blackhawk their a few posts up, also the force trim wasn't working, I was using my vkb mgcu with the loopback app to bind the force trim buttons in the config app.
Fthanks for the details but that didn't do the trick. I still don't see anything in the feedback tab on the xpforce with Rhino selected. On VP force config everything looks good. I wonder if it's not a DirectX problem
FAnyone using rhino in fs2020? Experienced similar problems?
DSaturation should reduce the axis range… but not sure if its the same in VPForce software
Ayou mean the saturation seen here for each effect?
Athis is the saturation i am unclear on, since i can't seem to feel the effect difference, or if there is one, i can't tell what is different
Wsaturation limits max force with the same slope
Wsaturation at 0 is disabled, 100% means limit force value at 100% motor power, 50% limits the force at 50% motor power - etc.
WGenerally you don't need to touch it, unless you know what you're doing 
WI've also moved some settings to "advanced" in the development version, since some of the options add more confusion, than usefulness.
WGraphically, saturation for spring at 50% would be equivalent to this:
W
Fcoming back to the XPForce/FS2020 saga, 
it seems XPForce cannot connect to the Rhino. In the screenshot below the "Joystick Active" should be ticked and i should see the joystick movements...that seems to be locked out
it seems XPForce cannot connect to the Rhino. In the screenshot below the "Joystick Active" should be ticked and i should see the joystick movements...that seems to be locked out
PHmm that's strange, though it's been several weeks since I've flown in msfs2020 last time I did XPForce worked fine with the Rhino.
Fi tried Xplane 11 as well. plugin installed with no problems..same story..the XPForce doesn't connect to the Rhino. It seems to be something related to my system
Fcould you check again that nothing broke after the last FW update? Tnx!
FOk, Walmis helped me directly. I had the "Forced effect" flag on in VP configurator. This was overwriting the XP force effects.
FAlso I had the gains too low..now seems to work. I'll play a bit more with it
DHey guys, I am cautiously considering building a control loading system from the VP-Force kit. Does anyone know the resolution of the encoders on those motors? In my current design I will utilise roughly 200° on the motor shaft for a full stroke. On a ~4000cpr encoder that would leave me with little over 11Bit resolution. Are those motors availabe with higher resolution encoders?
WEncoders are 12bit, rhino has about 3000 counts per throw. And for all practical purposes, that's 0.015 degree resolution (For 44deg throw)
DThx for the swift answer 
That would be +-22.5Deg on a 1:6 gear ratio. I guess I will go for a 1:10 then. THX!
That would be +-22.5Deg on a 1:6 gear ratio. I guess I will go for a 1:10 then. THX!
Ais there a fact sheet with all the relevant and irrelevant information on the rhino?
WNot really, information is a bit sparse. But at least the manual has begun
AMaybe the overview section could have a fact sheet in it?
A"Maximum throw: 22Deg X & Y"
A"Overheat protection: Fans & limited max current progressively from 50C"
Aand so on
WYep, will do
SI just tested it and it does not behave properly with ffb mode selected trim button doesnt do anything
SThats what i found. Thank you for confirming my experience
AFor what it's worth, force trim does work on the Huey with MSFFB-stick when using the instant trim setting under special options.
AAnd just to make sure, you do have the force trim switch turned on in cockpit?
Sno I just clicked the trim butotn on the stick
Sthere is an extra trim switch in the cockpit to enable trim?
AThere's a force trim switch on the top right of the middle pedestal.
Sand it will make the normal trim button on the stick to start working?
AIt should. At least it does for me.
Sok I will give it a try
GThe cockpit switch turns the system on. The stick button is the actual function
GIt works well, I fly the helos more than anything else
AI can confirm the Huey thing
AIt's actually kind of neat that they actually modeled that
ARhinomanual / Tips and Tricks / DCS / Huey: If your stick is limp, you can either try to fly something more manly or enable force trim in cockpit
GThe Huey force trim feels arguably better than the Apache. It holds firm, and there's a definite relaxation and re-grip when you disable it. Maybe the Apache isn't fully fleshed yet, or maybe that's how it's supposed to feel.
MYou can turn the force trim off in the Apache too
MAnd I've had the force trim disappear when I had an engine generator out in the hind too
Dcan simulate that with turning off some power on the RHS in hind (can't remember exactly which from memory)
Sthe apache works well. Pressing the trim release removes all force from the stick and releasing the button rengages the forces. However, it tends to want to move further in the direction it was displaced rather than staying exactly where you put it. The huey does the opposite, releasing the trim button forces the stick back to center. And both of these abnormalities occur when DCS is set to FFB without springs in the special options tab.
GNeither move for me, they both stay exactly in place. The feel is just better in the Huey IMO.