i really like the idea of a diagram but it would be nice to make the labels more noob friendly. Are

i really like the idea of a diagram but it would be nice to make the labels more noob friendly. Are internal effects what comes from the forced checkbox? where does the game telemetry enter-is it dynamic device? and why is that a pool? why is sine wave in dynamic device? there is also a checkbox for periodic effects in vpconfigurator-does this digram mean there are two sources of sine wave-the game and the firmware?

WeaselGX•2/23/23, 6:50 PM

It would also be helpful to have the explanations as a pop up when hovering over the setting. Fortunately I think the default settings work great out of box for DCS.

WeaselGX•2/23/23, 6:52 PM

Also is my understanding right that if I use just the Config tool and DCS, the only FFB effects I would get would be based on the FFB programmed into the particular aircraft — hence better FFB for F-14 vs the Hornet. If I want more FFB, I would need to use some telemetry export to convert that to FFB to the stick?

SskyPickle i really like the idea of a diagram but it would be nice to make the labels more...

amadeus•2/23/23, 6:53 PM

The way I understand it: internal effects are what you configure in the rhino app, dynamic are what come from the game. When they are greyed out, it’s because dynamic, by default, overrides internal. Therefore it means in this example, spring and damper come from the game and therefore ignore the internal setup effects. The forced enabled would basically stop this override from happening

amadeus•2/23/23, 6:54 PM

Inertia and friction aren’t being applied from the game, so they continue to exist as configured in the rhino app

amadeus•2/23/23, 6:54 PM

Periodic effects are effects are like Sine — currently they can only come from the game

WeaselGX•2/23/23, 6:56 PM

Thank you @amadeus … very clear explanations

amadeus•2/23/23, 6:56 PM

Npnp! We are all learning together

WeaselGX•2/23/23, 7:00 PM

The feel of the stick with FFB is quite a game changer. I love how there almost no stick pressure on the runway in the P51 but it becomes harder to move control surfaces when you pick up speed.

WeaselGX•2/23/23, 7:01 PM

I also liked how this works pretty much out of the box for Apache and Huey

WeaselGX•2/23/23, 7:02 PM

The Configurator tool is pretty intimidating but I appreciate the flexibility

smitty•2/23/23, 7:47 PM

that diagram needs to go in the manual google doc!

WWeaselGX The feel of the stick with FFB is quite a game changer. I love how there almost ...

SwiftVengeance•2/23/23, 8:13 PM

the bf109k4 also feels great on the runway

Khangirey•2/23/23, 8:45 PM

Is there a way to get the stick to fall forward realistically when you're just on the runway? For me, the stick just stays put whereever I move it (but still gets loading from propwash and on takeoff

RustBelt•2/23/23, 8:58 PM

That’s on the game simulating the weight of the elevators or any down spring in the linkage. Most aren’t doing that.

RRustBelt That’s on the game simulating the weight of the elevators or any down spring in ...

Khangirey•2/23/23, 9:05 PM

This is a competing product, but the presenter is saying that this is the game actually doing this - shown for both DCS and IL-2
https://youtu.be/jQm2SC3fW5g?t=390
I only have spring and damper enabled as per Walmis's set up.
I wonder if it is the damper preventing the stick from falling forward

YouTubeJust Fly It

Да что же это такое этот FFB?

Друзья, всем привет!
В этом ролике рассказываю вам о прототипе джойстика с обратной связью от Романа (Propeller). А также о том, что может нам дать фидбек в симуляторах и как с этим обстоит дело сейчас!
Отдельное спасибо Роману за возможность быть первым "испытателем" его устройства!

Khangirey•2/23/23, 9:05 PM

timestamped btw

RustBelt•2/23/23, 9:07 PM

I mean, that just looks like stick weight pulling it forward.

RustBelt•2/23/23, 9:08 PM

When I put my warthog F-16 on my Sidewinder rig it does that.

Khangirey•2/23/23, 9:09 PM

check at 7:35, it will fall forward even if he pulls it back first

Khangirey•2/23/23, 9:09 PM

making me think that it isn't just the weight

AndyHill•2/23/23, 9:11 PM

the ww1 planes model elevator droop

RustBelt•2/23/23, 9:11 PM

He’s only ever letting it go at idle power from center. It also does a full flop to upper left when he cuts power.

AndyHill•2/23/23, 9:11 PM

but they tend to center ailerons without airflow

Khangirey•2/23/23, 9:14 PM

I just rented the P47 in dcs

Khangirey•2/23/23, 9:14 PM

I'm gonna test it

RustBelt•2/23/23, 9:15 PM

I must admit, for IL2 I’m a P-38 lifer so I’m still on my Saitek yoke when ever I play that.

RustBelt•2/23/23, 9:16 PM

And I’m Tomcat all day on DCS. And that definitely slams the stick to the plane’s trimmed spring center when you load in.

gitbse•2/23/23, 9:17 PM

The 14 effects are fantastic. The only thing missing is g loading

gitbse•2/23/23, 9:18 PM

The loading and unloading at speed when you trim is the best of any fast mover, IMO

RustBelt•2/23/23, 9:24 PM

Yea no bobweight and no eddy current damper

Khangirey•2/23/23, 9:24 PM

just going through my settings again, do I need this enabled if I have this at 100

KKhangirey Is there a way to get the stick to fall forward realistically when you're just o...

sydost•2/23/23, 9:52 PM

DCS doesn’t model that which is a bit of an immersion killer. My understanding is that DCS uses only spring effect including offset center (trim) and periodic effects (shaking). It is on ED to first add the other effects to DCS core and then module makers can implement wider range of effects for us.

Ggitbse The 14 effects are fantastic. The only thing missing is g loading

amadeus•2/23/23, 10:01 PM

i tried out the F-14 the other day, one thing I noticed is that it had my stick WAAAY forward constantly, is there something I was missing from a configuration perspective?

gitbse•2/23/23, 10:06 PM

No, that's representative of the real thing

gitbse•2/23/23, 10:08 PM

I'm sure there would be a way to adjust it, but that's how it's supposed to be. Most jets have limited forward travel, because the meat servos in the pilot seat can't handle nearly as much negative g as we can positive

Ssydost DCS doesn’t model that which is a bit of an immersion killer. My understanding i...

Khangirey•2/23/23, 10:15 PM

Interesting, as @andyhill said, WW1 planes model the droop

Khangirey•2/23/23, 10:15 PM

I wonder if we pestered the devs, they could apply that feature to the older planes in the game

sydost•2/23/23, 10:16 PM

There is no WW1 planes in DCS so he probably meant in IL-2 WW1 planes model the droop.

Khangirey•2/23/23, 10:17 PM

yes, that's what I meant, sorry

Khangirey•2/23/23, 10:18 PM

for now, I'm trying to fix the BF-109 trimming issue. Seems applying a -20 pitch offset does the trick, but I'm not sure if it will mess up the FFB

KKhangirey I wonder if we pestered the devs, they could apply that feature to the older pla...

RustBelt•2/23/23, 10:20 PM

Asking the DCS devs to do something is a field that bares no crop. They work to their own twisted calendar of graphics updates and Eldritch bug generating core revisions.

RRustBelt Asking the DCS devs to do something is a field that bares no crop. They work to ...

Khangirey•2/23/23, 10:20 PM

I meant the IL-2 Devs, although I think you're right about both

RustBelt•2/23/23, 10:21 PM

Yea IL-2 is better at suggestions. Unless it’s to do with the Pacific theater. Then it’s a diamond wall.

RustBelt•2/23/23, 10:22 PM

They have their rut and by gum they plan to live in it!

Khangirey•2/23/23, 10:22 PM

also another odd quirk I found. with the WW1 planes in IL2, the droop is modeled, so long as you don't alt-tab. Once you alt tab, all the other FFB effects work, but that one breaks

RustBelt•2/23/23, 10:23 PM

Probably some initialization state that doesn’t reinstate when you go back into the game. Do they droop AFTER a flight?

RRustBelt Probably some initialization state that doesn’t reinstate when you go back into ...

Khangirey•2/23/23, 10:24 PM

Landing a plane? Who has time for that?
Just kidding, I'll try it out once I get some more time

RustBelt•2/23/23, 10:27 PM

It does show it’s doable somewhere in DirectX FFB.

RustBelt•2/23/23, 10:27 PM

Never found good documentation on that very old part of DirectX

Khangirey•2/23/23, 10:29 PM

I think it's probably worth-while to start a repository of FFB quirks and whatnot, so that if someone else experiences this issue, they don't have to pull out their hair wondering if it is them, the stick or the software

i really like the idea of a diagram but it would be nice to make the labels more noob friendly. Are

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