@smitty#5756 hey, I was looking at those gear reduction planetaries you listed. Is there a huge bene

@smitty#5756 hey, I was looking at those gear reduction planetaries you listed. Is there a huge benefit to using those? I would imagine it allows the motors to spin alot further for the same amount of stick deflection.

gitbseOP•2/24/23, 11:44 PM

Does that allow different force outputs? Or maybe a more "accurate" force?

RustBelt•2/25/23, 1:35 AM

I think they up torque motor spins faster producing more total power, gear reduction slows the rotation down so power equation result raises the torque.

skyPickle•2/25/23, 1:14 PM

I made a first effort on the manual. Have a look and add what you can. Btw, what are the four empty boxes around the trim setting for?

SskyPickle I made a first effort on the manual. Have a look and add what you can. Btw, what...

walmis•2/25/23, 1:53 PM

Thanks.
In case you haven't discovered yet, if you hover mouse on some controls you will get a tooltip.

walmis•2/25/23, 1:54 PM

Currently also working on documenting stuff in the app itself, for example:

skyPickle•2/25/23, 5:08 PM

is there a place we could list the dcs bugs that give weird FFB behavior? For example, curves applied to pitch and roll give weird behavior in the Huey and the F5E

Wwalmis Currently also working on documenting stuff in the app itself, for example:

amadeus•2/25/23, 5:31 PM

Hype! New update sneak peak! How’s it deal with belt stretch with higher forces?

Aamadeus Hype! New update sneak peak! How’s it deal with belt stretch with higher forces?

walmis•2/25/23, 5:32 PM

Not an issue any more

amadeus•2/25/23, 5:33 PM

Oh I was curious if it’s a setting you have to configure. Either way tho, can’t wait for the update!

walmis•2/25/23, 5:34 PM

Yeah it's configurable, but I have rough default values for Rhino

walmis•2/25/23, 5:34 PM

Kit owners will have different settings for their mechanics

amadeus•2/25/23, 5:34 PM

Like you do a calibrate axis with some constant forces applied?

amadeus•2/25/23, 5:35 PM

Then it can figure out deltas mathematically?

walmis•2/25/23, 5:36 PM

It's a bit more crude for the initial release

walmis•2/25/23, 5:37 PM

You basically calibrate as usual and then increase the compensation value until it reaches the logical axis edge while under spring force

amadeus•2/25/23, 5:38 PM

Ahh

walmis•2/25/23, 5:39 PM

but works great!

amadeus•2/25/23, 5:44 PM

Yee! Hopefully release soon?

happy to beta test if you need anyone too

amadeus•2/25/23, 5:48 PM

i've noticed every time i plug in the rhino, a little interesting notification appears, is there a way to disable that? i've had windows derp and sometimes get it stuck, and i can't dismiss it

walmis•2/25/23, 5:58 PM

Webusb notification?

amadeus•2/25/23, 5:59 PM

yeah that might be it

walmis•2/25/23, 5:59 PM

It's from the browser - Edge, Chrome?

amadeus•2/25/23, 6:05 PM

Stoned Kakapo•2/25/23, 7:50 PM

Stupid question, but how do you get DCS to send input to vp force app? I was looking on the debug loaded effects but nothing shows up. So not receiving any shaking effects or trim. Vpforce app works just fine though on its own (loving the motors)

amadeus•2/25/23, 8:21 PM

Miiight depend on the module you’re using?

Aamadeus Miiight depend on the module you’re using?

Stoned Kakapo•2/25/23, 8:23 PM

I've been using the spitfire, huey, and f5 so far. I'm pretty sure I'm using the app incorrectly

amadeus•2/25/23, 8:26 PM

spitfire def has some force feedback, but it was implemented pretty poorly from my tests. Screenshot of how you have things configured? The effects tab and the one with the sliders for effects

SskyPickle is there a place we could list the dcs bugs that give weird FFB behavior? For ex...

Magpie•2/25/23, 8:37 PM

What’s weird about the f5?

Aamadeus <a:thonk:975806299335983177> spitfire def has some force feedback, but it was im...

Stoned Kakapo•2/25/23, 8:41 PM

Stoned Kakapo•2/25/23, 8:42 PM

Other things I've tried so far: move files to a folder rather than keeping it on the rar file, and running vpforce in admin mode

amadeus•2/25/23, 8:43 PM

Why are all your buttons showing as activated at once?

amadeus•2/25/23, 8:43 PM

Not all, but a bunch anyways

Stoned Kakapo•2/25/23, 8:43 PM

I'm not sure, it's the TM f18 grip

Stoned Kakapo•2/25/23, 8:45 PM

I do use simshaker for my jetseat and buttkicker, not sure if that has anything to do with feedback not being received from dcs

amadeus•2/25/23, 8:49 PM

Probably not related to your issue, but I think you want to hit that drop-down and select your grip

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amadeus•2/25/23, 8:49 PM

Wtf, that screenshot didn’t work lol

amadeus•2/25/23, 8:49 PM

Grip Type — find your grip and set it there

Stoned Kakapo•2/25/23, 8:54 PM

Will do! Just checked, just VPC grips are there, also ww adapter

Stoned Kakapo•2/25/23, 8:54 PM

I'll try generic grip debug though

MMagpie What’s weird about the f5?

skyPickle•2/25/23, 9:26 PM

when curves are applied, the center point of the stick is off

SStoned Kakapo Click to see attachment

amadeus•2/25/23, 9:50 PM

Your stuff looks like it’s configured fine tho, the only thing I would probably go through is just like, disable all effects, crank all the sliders to 100, and test… for me tho, force feedback in DCS just worked

Aamadeus Your stuff looks like it’s configured fine tho, the only thing I would probably ...

Stoned Kakapo•2/25/23, 10:57 PM

Ah ok! Like go to in effects and untick all the boxes? And also, the force effect 2nd box underneath, that's just for vpforce to override any game input, right? Thank you very much for the help and suggestions by the way!

SStoned Kakapo Ah ok! Like go to in effects and untick all the boxes? And also, the force effec...

leninjahd•2/25/23, 11:52 PM

Also check that you enabled Force Feedback in DCS

Lleninjahd Also check that you enabled Force Feedback in DCS

Stoned Kakapo•2/26/23, 12:22 AM

Yep, made sure it was on at first and then off, for the huey and f5 anyway. I'm about to try it with all the effects off

Lleninjahd Also check that you enabled Force Feedback in DCS

Stoned Kakapo•2/26/23, 1:01 AM

Wow I'm dumb, I didn't even know there was a ffb option in the option menu, I thought it was only through the special tab for individual modules. My old ffb stick, I used an app that would override dcs, figures. Thank you for making me double check my options

Stoned Kakapo•2/26/23, 1:01 AM

Everything works as it should now!!

Ggitbse @smitty#5756 hey, I was looking at those gear reduction planetaries you listed. ...

smitty•2/26/23, 3:12 AM

yes the gearboxes at 10:1 allow for much higher forces at the grip than the 5:1 (? not sure what exact pulley ratio is) belt system. 35deg full throw translates to 350 degrees of the motor is used. Any more and the encoder gets stupid and if you switch it on at the endpoint it will think its on the next rotation. so keeping it under 360 works great. these are ultra low backlash servo gearboxes, i tried some cheapo ones first and it jus felt sloppy. plus they have a beefy bearing in them to act as at least one of the gimbal axes. i dont have it fully built yet but just bench testing with the flight stick in one axis felt wonderful

Ye Old Grog•2/26/23, 11:31 AM

Gearboxes without backlash would give a more precise feel than transferring through a rubber band. It's something the simracer guys have learned. They are more expensive and the sim has to provide enough detail for it to be worthwhile though.

I have high hopes for smitty's setup.

smitty•2/26/23, 4:51 PM

i wouldnt say belts are rubber bands haha they can be plenty stiff with kevlar reinforcements but the ratio im going for wouldnt be practical with pulleys

Ye Old Grog•2/26/23, 7:35 PM

I know. I was definitely exaggerating for effect. There is some belt play as shown by Walmis compensating for it.
I think the 10:1 ratio you are going for is possible with a belt but the pulley is getting really large at that point.

@smitty#5756 hey, I was looking at those gear reduction planetaries you listed. Is there a huge bene

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