VPforce Controls•3y ago

Are Winwing grips plug and play now?

ddrake1984•3/9/23, 6:25 AM

With the adapter

Nnz aviator Are Winwing grips plug and play now?

TrigaNZ•3/9/23, 6:50 AM

Mine shows some funny button combos on the VP Configurator but they all show up in DCS OK.

Dddrake1984 With the adapter

nz aviatorOP•3/9/23, 6:51 AM

What adaptor is that?

ddrake1984•3/9/23, 6:51 AM

The one that walmis makes

TTrigaNZ Mine shows some funny button combos on the VP Configurator but they all show up ...

walmis•3/9/23, 6:53 AM

Could you make a screen recording if you get a chance? There's a Chrome extension that makes this easy: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/screencastify-screen-vide/mmeijimgabbpbgpdklnllpncmdofkcpn?hl=en

Dddrake1984 The one that walmis makes

nz aviatorOP•3/9/23, 6:54 AM

just seen it on the pre order form. thanks for the help

Nnz aviator What adaptor is that?

walmis•3/9/23, 6:54 AM

Yeah, it's an adapter that goes between Rhino and WW grip

ddrake1984•3/9/23, 6:56 AM

Its a work of genius

Wwalmis Yeah, it's an adapter that goes between Rhino and WW grip

nz aviatorOP•3/9/23, 6:58 AM

Thanks. so its about a year on the pre order at the moment?

Wwalmis Could you make a screen recording if you get a chance? There's a Chrome extensio...

TrigaNZ•3/9/23, 6:59 AM

I'll try

TTrigaNZ I'll try

ddrake1984•3/9/23, 7:02 AM

https://tenor.com/view/starwarsday-gif-5413758

Tenor

starwarsday

TrigaNZ•3/9/23, 7:25 AM

Not really a google user, I sent a screenshot instead.

MMagpie Did it break this month?

SwiftVengeance•3/9/23, 6:59 PM

Its always been broken since Apache came out

Dddrake1984 https://tenor.com/view/starwarsday-gif-5413758

RustBelt•3/9/23, 10:15 PM

ONLY a Sith deals in absolutes…

RRustBelt ONLY a Sith deals in absolutes…😉

ddrake1984•3/9/23, 10:18 PM

oooh. thats good

SSwiftVengeance Instant trim (FFB FRIENDLY) and no spring no ffb modes on the apache are still b...

Magpie•3/9/23, 10:58 PM

What do you mean by this?
Force trim worked for me on the Apache last night
Is there something I'm missing?

SwiftVengeance•3/9/23, 11:11 PM

Yes, the force trim option and no spring ffb mode adds input lag

SwiftVengeance•3/9/23, 11:12 PM

https://youtu.be/84KZf48ugVw

YouTubeMr. Simulator

apache test input speed limit

SwiftVengeance•3/9/23, 11:13 PM

If you fly using the regular mode this doesnt happen

AndyHill•3/9/23, 11:32 PM

Well I only use the instant trim mode, isn't that the default one?

AndyHill•3/9/23, 11:32 PM

I wouldn't have noticed that

AndyHill•3/9/23, 11:32 PM

wait why am I yellow

ddrake1984•3/9/23, 11:33 PM

wtf is with that input lag

AAndyHill Well I only use the instant trim mode, isn't that the default one?

ddrake1984•3/9/23, 11:33 PM

cause you been helping with the manual

Hotshot•3/10/23, 8:49 AM

Quick question: mounting a Virpil or WWing stick to the Rhino: will that still allow me to use their respective software to setup buttons/axis and stuff?
Or will those apps no longer recognize their stick?

HHotshot Quick question: mounting a Virpil or WWing stick to the Rhino: will that still a...

skeleton•3/10/23, 9:11 AM

I use a Virpil stick on the Rhino Base. Windows will only recognise the Rhino base device with the axis and buttons of the stick mapped to the Rhino device. So you can't use the Virpil configurator to change the settings of the stick. That's all done via the Rhino Configurator.

ddrake1984•3/10/23, 9:15 AM

VKB works because it instead connects directly to the VKB Blackbox (unlike Virpil and WW)

skeleton•3/10/23, 9:21 AM

Speaking of the configurator:
I have a weird issue. I'm running a relatively fresh Win 11 install and only recently tried to change my FFB config. I downloaded version 1.0.13. When I first started it, the window was blank and crashed/didn't respond. I tried with the Rhino disconnected, without power, connected, etc. Then it worked for one time.
Then it stopped working entirely. So I can't change my config anymore. Tried different compatibility mode settings etc. but no joy.
The configurator launches with a blank window. The Rhino "ID" is recognised and shown in the top of the window when connected. The app uses CPU resources even when it's blank. Clicking on it will bring up the "this application doesn't respond" dialogue.
I re-downloaded it and also tried the 1.0.7 version. Firmware is up to date.
Any idea how to fix it?

Sskeleton I use a Virpil stick on the Rhino Base. Windows will only recognise the Rhino ba...

Hotshot•3/10/23, 9:29 AM

Shit; so no pass though... but... seeing as the Virpil software doesn't need to be running in the background, because the entire config is always saved to the device: wouldn't it work to configure the stick with the default base and then putting it on the Rhino? (I think WWing also saves it directly to the device)

HHotshot Shit; so no pass though... but... seeing as the Virpil software doesn't need to ...

skeleton•3/10/23, 9:30 AM

negative
the config is saved to your base afaik, so the stick doesn't know of the config

Sskeleton Speaking of the configurator: I have a weird issue. I'm running a relatively fre...

walmis•3/10/23, 11:11 AM

My guess it's something related to Qt and OpenGL. I got rid of the OpenGL dependency in the new version, so hopefully that will fix it.

Wwalmis My guess it's something related to Qt and OpenGL. I got rid of the OpenGL depend...

skeleton•3/10/23, 11:12 AM

Ok, thanks. I'm looking forward to the new version then. Until then I can use an old laptop for config changes

Reed•3/10/23, 9:47 PM

Interesting, I was going to use a virpil alpha, but might use my TM warthog now. With the virpil gear, every axis and button is maintained compared to being mount to a virpil base?

Khangirey•3/11/23, 6:10 AM

trying to lighten the stick for flying force trimmed helos
When I change it in "effects" and not in "settings" the stiffness of the stick does not change
I have to change the "settings" slider as well. Is this accurate?

SwiftVengeance•3/11/23, 6:44 AM

SwiftVengeance•3/11/23, 6:45 AM

these settings are bad with the ah64D

KKhangirey trying to lighten the stick for flying force trimmed helos When I change it in "...

walmis•3/11/23, 7:01 AM

Yeah, the spring effect in "effects" tab adjusts the spring when no FFB game is running. So you have to use the slider or the potentiometer if bound to spring adjustment.

SwiftVengeance•3/11/23, 8:45 AM

SwiftVengeance•3/11/23, 8:46 AM

im running this external software that lets me choose the effects for when im trimming and when centering. hat up trim and hat down reset trim to center

SwiftVengeance•3/11/23, 8:48 AM

works quiet well. I would say its much more comfortable then the dcs apache one because when you trim it doesn't instantly cause you to loose all forces which turns into a jerky movement and it fixes the problem with the lag since you can use regular joystick mode and you only trim in this software

AndyHill•3/11/23, 1:22 PM

That's actually a very good idea. Some kind of friction or dampening stuff while force trim is happening is probably nice to have

TheAmazinGreat•3/11/23, 8:50 PM

@walmis, I'm making progress on the Arduino slave to send analog data via the shift register. I've got the shift register and an arduino slave talking to the debug console using the Generic Grip (Debug) setting. Buttons are working and I can get it to send some axis data but I'm still figuring how to get that data into the right bytes. My question is, if I want to have 4 axes do I need to emulate the signal to be the same as the VPC Constellation Alpha/Prime? Is there a way to make a custom grip so I don't have to reverse engineer the VPC bit math?

TheAmazinGreat•3/12/23, 7:01 AM

This is the main issue I am having getting the data into the correct bytes. When I plug/unplug the USB it changes the position of my axis input on the debug lines.

TTheAmazinGreat @walmis, I'm making progress on the Arduino slave to send analog data via the s...

walmis•3/12/23, 9:37 AM

Hey, you can use the WinWing adapter profile:

walmis•3/12/23, 9:39 AM

union {
  struct {
   uint8_t buttons[7];
   uint8_t reserved;
   int16_t axis[4]; // range 0..4096, center at 2048
  } __attribute((packed));
  uint8_t data[16];
 } ;

union {
  struct {
   uint8_t buttons[7];
   uint8_t reserved;
   int16_t axis[4]; // range 0..4096, center at 2048
  } __attribute((packed));
  uint8_t data[16];
 } ;

TTheAmazinGreat This is the main issue I am having getting the data into the correct bytes. When...

walmis•3/12/23, 9:42 AM

My guess is you need to setup an interrupt on the ~CS line falling edge to reload the buffer/counter to transmit over SPI

ddrake1984•3/12/23, 9:58 AM

I have a weird bug, this image does not go away

walmis•3/12/23, 9:59 AM

X does not close it?

ddrake1984•3/12/23, 10:00 AM

neg

walmis•3/12/23, 10:02 AM

no idea, something's up with MS Edge

Are Winwing grips plug and play now?

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