Afor me the rhino is the absolute favorite for now
AFFB or not
Aeven without FFB the mechanism creates a solid, non-springy feel compared to the regular sticks
GI agree. I am enjoying the Fulcrum even more with the Rhino.
AWhat does the 29 offer in terms of FFB?
Aand is it with the telemffb or out of the box?
GThe telemffb. Out of box it was only giving me trim and stall.
GWith the app I am loving it. I had no idea before when using the winwing base when I was turning too much and bleeding energy. Now I can tell and also how the spring tension changes with the speed is also great. I know when I need to slow down when I am conducting ground attacks for example.
MOut of the box is great
The trim at high speed is so pronounced it makes it fun to go fast
Try the auto level autopilot
And the in override stick limiter
The trim at high speed is so pronounced it makes it fun to go fast
Try the auto level autopilot
And the in override stick limiter
GGood you mentioned it I noticed my stick limiter override is not working, and I thought it was me not noticing the changes. I will re check that.
GThe autopilot at high speeds gets the grip moving forward and backward so much I fly manually when high and fast.
RThanks! I will go with the 9mm HTD belts. That should be able to bring the width of the gimbal to 150mm!
R@walmis - I am about to order the 2x57BLF03+usb kit. I noticed that a WinWing adapter is offered. Is that a mechanical adapter just like the VKB one? As in, I would have to use the board from WW's gimbal right?
MYeah I think it's just to relevel it if the pilot gets spacially disorientated
But its a cool gimmick to feel the stick move with the ap
But its a cool gimmick to feel the stick move with the ap
MWhat effects does the telem app add? I haven't installed it yet
AI might be wrong but IIRC the winwing adapter doesn't need anything extra to work
DBoth
DJust select the grip and its g2g
Sorry @recoilfx
Sorry @recoilfx
GI don't understant much of this but I believe are Angle of attack, runway texture, weapons release, cannon, stall, weapons being installed during rearming and others I can't remember now. I don't remember landing gear transitions though. But they are incredible.
MSounds great. I'm really hoping some software wizard can sync these features up with a buttkickr from the same app
RReally? Like analog axis on the grip is working too? Including the extra side module that adds extra hats and mini stick? Is the adapter a PCB or just aluminum pipe with threads that connect the WW grip to the Rhino base?
AI haven't tested it myself, but from what I recall Walmis managed to read signals from the grip and make it work directly
AAs for the level of functionality I really don't know, someone more knowledgeable needs to step in with the details
AThe WW adapter has electronic connection with the base, VKB adapter has an external lead to the black box
RThanks. Would love to hear from @walmis on what the adapter entails. I'd be super stoked if full functionality is retained on my WW F-16 grip.
PWalmis has made a telemetry app that reads the aircraft telemetry from DCS & sends that to the Rhino for FFB effects on every aircraft. The Rhino is extremely precise, it has a huge amount of throw that you can restrict with software endstops per aircraft profile to your desire, a few of us are looking into or have already made physical endstops. Do you fly with an extension? depending on the Rhino's mounted height you can get away without an extension due to the huge throw & the fact the Rhino basically has a small extension built in. Like swapping from any stick/base you'll likely have a bit of an adjustment period to get used to the new stick/base, I was using the VKB Gunfighter III base prior to upgrading to the Rhino & I can adjust the software settings on the Rhino to make it feel just like the Gunfighter III base in relation to spring force, dampener & throw length. The Rhino can use any grip from TM, Virpil, WW or VKB, WW & VKB require the adapters Walmis makes VKB's being a passthrough design. I can't recommend the VPforce Rhino enough it really is an awesome bit of kit.
AI had the CM3 prior to getting the rhino -- and one thing I can say -- it's basically no comparison. The rhino is miles better in every way: has a longer throw, in cases where the game doesn't support force feedback, you can tune the friction and damping in a way that feels infinitely better than the CM3s dry clutch, it feels super smooth, If i'm really trying to find nit picks with the rhino -- it's maybe that sometimes the leather pinches at the edges, and i kinda wish it maybe had a circular end stop instead of square? (could probably 3d print or make a replacement though). But with most FFB implementations i've found i rarely hit the end stops when flying (it's something the force feedback helps to train you not to do). TL;DR: assuming this thing lasts forever (and it's built like a tank), i'll never go back (if walmis releases a Rhino v2 i'll be first in line for it xD)
Pyeah these are all the effects I've been getting, it also adds ETL for the Huey & Ka50 I believe as well.
PAlso like amadeus said above me, any time you play a game without ffb the stick can still be set up to feel so much better than any other base I've used, the inertia & dampening make so much difference. I also have to say if you enjoy flying heli's you will absolutely love flying them with the Rhino, having ffb for the force trim makes it feel so much better it's hard to explain just how much better it feels. Also flying anything like a warbird (IL2 BoS) or GA bush planes (MSFS2020) feels unbelievably better & flying anything feels more precise & immersive.
KThank you guys. You've got me sold!
KI do have a 200 mm extension on the cm3 and I ordered the physical stops for the rhino
KI may not need the extension though given the height of the rhino
KUsing an alpha grip from virpil
KAlso have the tm warthog grip
Athe only downside to an extension is that the the force required to move the stick at the highest levels is easier, it already has a massive amount of throw, i think i have like a 75mm extension on it, and it feels huge (i did order the 200mm curved one from virpil, but not sure i'll even need/want to use it yet
Abut a CM3 with a 200mm extension is probably more throw than what i've got going on currently with the rhino and a 75mm extension, so you might still want more
ATo give some context, here’s the throw with my extension
KWow, that's quite a lot
KGuess I should get a shorter extension on order. 200 I'll be way too much
KIs that the blackbird seat from monster? I have one on order and hopefully here by May
KAwesome, thank you again. I do enjoy the ah64, UH1 and ka50. Also a big fan of the p51 and Spitfire.
RWhat chair is that?
Pyeah this is something I have noticed especially with the VKB MCGU being so dam heavy, but swapping out to the vkb kg12 grip for warbirds or ga I can feel a difference having less weight up top, I use the 200mm curved vkb extension cause my base has to be floor mounted, if/when I can swap to a higher chair mount I'll likely swap to a 100mm extension instead. Also considering if I could maybe resin print a replacement grip for the MCGU so it's not so heavy??
D1st in line…. Bwahaha, ill fight you for it
DIm using 100mm
DLove the KG12 for warbirds and MCGu for more modern things
Pyeah with the spring up nice & high & some dampening & inertia the stick can feel nice & heavy for warbirds
WHey, yea the WinWing adapter attaches to the Thrustmaster connector on one side and accepts WW grip on the other. It has electronics inside to translate signals. Analog axes and buttons work! Except the Vibro motor.
Dhey @magpiee - I got Telem installed and it's fantastic, Walmis is amazing for providing this
