Ah ok. Sometimes when I'm dogfighting I reach for a negative g roll. Sometimes when I push for negat

Ah ok. Sometimes when I'm dogfighting I reach for a negative g roll. Sometimes when I push for negative g it feels like there's almost no force opposing the stick. Would that be the feel system?

RustBelt•3/23/23, 12:55 AM

Yes. Unloading the tomcat takes most of the loads off the control linkage it’s actually the recommended way to make quick actions. No energy wasted on lift so all of it can go to pitch roll and yaw changes

RustBelt•3/23/23, 12:56 AM

You still have the eddy current damper to prevent you from violently slamming the control valves and actuators around too hard.

RustBelt•3/23/23, 12:58 AM

But Bob weight is out of the picture on its negative G stops, and load system for pitch isn’t doing much full stick deflection forward.

RustBelt•3/23/23, 12:58 AM

It’s for fingertip precision flying not big movemrnts

RustBelt•3/23/23, 1:00 AM

So you’re just fighting spring tension and the blood trying to all escape out your head

RustBelt•3/23/23, 1:01 AM

It’s ergonomically a lot harder to push over than pull back.

MagpieOP•3/23/23, 1:16 AM

Ah that explains it well, thanks
Yeah I saw him pushing the stick far forward and to the left in the speed and angels doco so the next time I was in the tomcat I tried that. It took a while to work out when it was useful but it's fun to do

MagpieOP•3/23/23, 1:18 AM

Feels so good with the ffb stick

MMagpie Ah ok. Sometimes when I'm dogfighting I reach for a negative g roll. Sometimes w...

ddrake1984•3/23/23, 2:14 AM

Yes

RRustBelt You still have the eddy current damper to prevent you from violently slamming th...

ddrake1984•3/23/23, 2:15 AM

This is why I do the inertia setting, but its based on length of travel instead of a constant rate

ddrake1984•3/23/23, 2:16 AM

Maybe I need to fiddle with settings more for that realistic feel, but you can yank the stick

MagpieOP•3/23/23, 2:29 AM

Wait drake's been learning the tomcat without me?

MagpieOP•3/23/23, 2:30 AM

Ok new question
Say the sabre has no real feel whatsoever. Its that because it has decoupled hydraulics?

MagpieOP•3/23/23, 2:30 AM

What came first? Coupled or decoupled? Does coupled give any feel?

TC-Durham•3/23/23, 2:32 AM

As much as I remember the Sabre had hydraulic assistance to its controls, which was one of the main points of John Boyd's OODA loop theory, but I still think there was a direct connect between the stick and the affected control surface.

MagpieOP•3/23/23, 2:34 AM

Ok, I just don't feel anything when flying the sabre really

MagpieOP•3/23/23, 2:34 AM

But the mig15 has heaps of character

ddrake1984•3/23/23, 2:36 AM

@hart28

ddrake1984•3/23/23, 2:36 AM

Help magpie with sabre

ddrake1984•3/23/23, 2:39 AM

ddrake1984•3/23/23, 2:39 AM

Found this on wiki

EEmilia_TanThailand Eh...Fly by wire system is have a effect from FFB base or not?

PiNKSH!T•3/23/23, 2:40 AM

I also like to think of the FFB base not just for giving the exact feelings the aircraft would give through the stick, but also to add some effects that we might otherwise feel through the seat or the body of the aircraft our our own bodies since we're not able to feel all these things without some major hardware in many cases, maybe as things like a "jetSeat" & butt kickers are added some less realistic effects could be removed from the stick. Things like flying a FBW F18 & feeling through the stick each wheel leave/hit the ground is really handy even though we likely wouldn't feel this the same way through a 'real FBW' stick. Anyway just my take.

PPiNKSH!T I also like to think of the FFB base not just for giving the exact feelings the ...

ddrake1984•3/23/23, 2:41 AM

This is why I want buttkicker& jetseat

MMagpie Ok, I just don't feel anything when flying the sabre really

PiNKSH!T•3/23/23, 2:41 AM

Is this with or without the Telem app? Sorry if I've missed this answer already.

ddrake1984•3/23/23, 2:42 AM

Good point, last I remember magpie was scared to use the telem app

ddrake1984•3/23/23, 2:43 AM

Or was he expecting the effects to be present by default without the app

Dddrake1984 Or was he expecting the effects to be present by default without the app

PiNKSH!T•3/23/23, 2:46 AM

Yeah that's my main question really, I haven't tested the Sabre with the Rhino yet. It's all up to the individual module makers whether or not there's any FFB effects & if any what they are.

ddrake1984•3/23/23, 2:46 AM

I was flying huey last night, found that the telem app was needed

ddrake1984•3/23/23, 2:47 AM

Not for “extra” effects, but just the ground resonance

ddrake1984•3/23/23, 2:49 AM

Is there a list someone has done that explains all the aircraft with their default ffb effects and the additional ones? I think someone should do this

ddrake1984•3/23/23, 2:49 AM

I think @magpiee should do it

MagpieOP•3/23/23, 2:54 AM

I guess I fly all the planes

MagpieOP•3/23/23, 2:54 AM

I just need to learn how the stick functions irl too in order to contest it

MagpieOP•3/23/23, 2:54 AM

I haven't used the telem app yet

ddrake1984•3/23/23, 3:04 AM

Well.. huey has force trim by default, telem adds additional feel of buffeting and guns firing from what I have tested (minimally)

ddrake1984•3/23/23, 3:05 AM

Im curious to test the new firmware endstops, not sure what some of the other firmware options means tho

Dddrake1984 Is there a list someone has done that explains all the aircraft with their defau...

PiNKSH!T•3/23/23, 5:12 AM

hey m8, sorry been afk. I think this was talked about when people make changes &/or add effects to different aircraft we could post them on github? I always use the telem app when flying dcs, I could be wrong but I understood it to be that the app will only add effects not overwrite any that are default for the module.

PPiNKSH!T hey m8, sorry been afk. I think this was talked about when people make changes &...

ddrake1984•3/23/23, 5:17 AM

Yeah, I use the telem too, was just curious to know what default effects are enabled for the airframes and what the telem is providing as additional and could provide if configured

Dddrake1984 Help magpie with sabre

=RS= Hart•3/23/23, 5:24 AM

I don't use FFB yet, so I can't be much help there unfortunately

==RS= Hart I don't use FFB yet, so I can't be much help there unfortunately

ddrake1984•3/23/23, 5:26 AM

Well, the question was more around the sensations that are supposedly felt for the sabre

=RS= Hart•3/23/23, 5:26 AM

Ah, I'll have a sticky beak in the manual and see if I can find anything on it later

=RS= Hart•3/23/23, 5:26 AM

But I would imagine it'd feel lighter than the 15 due to better dampeners

=RS= Hart•3/23/23, 5:27 AM

Maybe stiffness around 0.95M in the roll

Dddrake1984 Well, the question was more around the sensations that are supposedly felt for t...

PiNKSH!T•3/23/23, 5:27 AM

I'd assume the flight controls are conected to the stick in a sabre so you should feel quite a lot from the sabre

==RS= Hart But I would imagine it'd feel lighter than the 15 due to better dampeners

ddrake1984•3/23/23, 5:27 AM

📃general

ddrake1984•3/23/23, 5:27 AM

Question was around coupled or decoupled hydraulics

Dddrake1984 https://discord.com/channels/965234441511383080/965234441511383083/1088288523548...

PiNKSH!T•3/23/23, 5:28 AM

this could be the reason too

=RS= Hart•3/23/23, 5:28 AM

Ok, I'll have a look tonight for a definitive answer

ddrake1984•3/23/23, 5:29 AM

Ill fly the sabre, but I know hart knows “people” and has access to “warthunder level documents”

PiNKSH!T•3/23/23, 5:31 AM

https://forum.dcs.world/topic/138153-missing-ffb-effect/

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Missing FFB effect?

We can see the visual effect at high angle turns, stalls and spins but there is no ffb effect on joystick controller. You have added ffb effects on mig-15 and works great. Will you implement those effects on F-86 later? Thanks

Ah ok. Sometimes when I'm dogfighting I reach for a negative g roll. Sometimes when I push for negat

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