You still have the eddy current damper to prevent you from violently slamming the control valves and
You still have the eddy current damper to prevent you from violently slamming the control valves and actuators around too hard.
RBut Bob weight is out of the picture on its negative G stops, and load system for pitch isn’t doing much full stick deflection forward.
RIt’s for fingertip precision flying not big movemrnts
RSo you’re just fighting spring tension and the blood trying to all escape out your head
RIt’s ergonomically a lot harder to push over than pull back.
MAh that explains it well, thanks
Yeah I saw him pushing the stick far forward and to the left in the speed and angels doco so the next time I was in the tomcat I tried that. It took a while to work out when it was useful but it's fun to do
Yeah I saw him pushing the stick far forward and to the left in the speed and angels doco so the next time I was in the tomcat I tried that. It took a while to work out when it was useful but it's fun to do
MFeels so good with the ffb stick
DThis is why I do the inertia setting, but its based on length of travel instead of a constant rate
DMaybe I need to fiddle with settings more for that realistic feel, but you can yank the stick
MWait drake's been learning the tomcat without me?
MOk new question
Say the sabre has no real feel whatsoever. Its that because it has decoupled hydraulics?
Say the sabre has no real feel whatsoever. Its that because it has decoupled hydraulics?
MWhat came first? Coupled or decoupled? Does coupled give any feel?
TAs much as I remember the Sabre had hydraulic assistance to its controls, which was one of the main points of John Boyd's OODA loop theory, but I still think there was a direct connect between the stick and the affected control surface.
MOk, I just don't feel anything when flying the sabre really
MBut the mig15 has heaps of character
D@hart28
DHelp magpie with sabre
D
DFound this on wiki
PI also like to think of the FFB base not just for giving the exact feelings the aircraft would give through the stick, but also to add some effects that we might otherwise feel through the seat or the body of the aircraft our our own bodies since we're not able to feel all these things without some major hardware in many cases, maybe as things like a "jetSeat" & butt kickers are added some less realistic effects could be removed from the stick. Things like flying a FBW F18 & feeling through the stick each wheel leave/hit the ground is really handy even though we likely wouldn't feel this the same way through a 'real FBW' stick. Anyway just my take.
DThis is why I want buttkicker& jetseat
PIs this with or without the Telem app? Sorry if I've missed this answer already.
DGood point, last I remember magpie was scared to use the telem app
DOr was he expecting the effects to be present by default without the app
PYeah that's my main question really, I haven't tested the Sabre with the Rhino yet. It's all up to the individual module makers whether or not there's any FFB effects & if any what they are.
DI was flying huey last night, found that the telem app was needed
DNot for “extra” effects, but just the ground resonance
DIs there a list someone has done that explains all the aircraft with their default ffb effects and the additional ones? I think someone should do this
DI think @magpiee should do it
MI guess I fly all the planes
MI just need to learn how the stick functions irl too in order to contest it
MI haven't used the telem app yet
DWell.. huey has force trim by default, telem adds additional feel of buffeting and guns firing from what I have tested (minimally)
DIm curious to test the new firmware endstops, not sure what some of the other firmware options means tho
Phey m8, sorry been afk. I think this was talked about when people make changes &/or add effects to different aircraft we could post them on github? I always use the telem app when flying dcs, I could be wrong but I understood it to be that the app will only add effects not overwrite any that are default for the module.
DYeah, I use the telem too, was just curious to know what default effects are enabled for the airframes and what the telem is providing as additional and could provide if configured
=I don't use FFB yet, so I can't be much help there unfortunately
DWell, the question was more around the sensations that are supposedly felt for the sabre
=Ah, I'll have a sticky beak in the manual and see if I can find anything on it later
=But I would imagine it'd feel lighter than the 15 due to better dampeners
=Maybe stiffness around 0.95M in the roll
PI'd assume the flight controls are conected to the stick in a sabre so you should feel quite a lot from the sabre
DQuestion was around coupled or decoupled hydraulics
Pthis could be the reason too 
=Ok, I'll have a look tonight for a definitive answer
DIll fly the sabre, but I know hart knows “people” and has access to “warthunder level documents” 
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We can see the visual effect at high angle turns, stalls and spins but there is no ffb effect on joystick controller. You have added ffb effects on mig-15 and works great. Will you implement those effects on F-86 later? Thanks
Pit's discussed here 2016, but have a look in the manual it has a few sections on the controls in the sabre
Plooks like they are hydraulic but can be disengaged manually