Hey m8, not sure if this got covered or not but, Walmis has made a Loopback app that can effectively

Hey m8, not sure if this got covered or not but, Walmis has made a Loopback app that can effectively make any grip show up as apart of the Rhino base, then use something like HID Hide to stop the sim/game from seeing the joystick separately. I do this for my VKB KG12 v2 grip in IL2 as I have reached the 8 usb limit for that sim.

NNaudiz Another concern I had was a guy on youtube having it overheat after about 90 min...

PiNKSH!TOP•4/2/23, 1:17 AM

Was that a VPforce Rhino or a Brunner?

AndyHill•4/2/23, 1:17 AM

8 USB limit should be listed as a mortal sin in the bible

PPiNKSH!T Hey m8, not sure if this got covered or not but, Walmis has made a Loopback app ...

Naudiz•4/2/23, 1:17 AM

Oh that’s perfect if that’s the case, so it just becomes one unit in the game?

PPiNKSH!T Was that a VPforce Rhino or a Brunner?

Naudiz•4/2/23, 1:18 AM

The Rhino specifically, I got the impression the Brunner isn’t that desirable in comparison

AndyHill•4/2/23, 1:18 AM

I don't think I've actually tested loopback for that

NNaudiz Oh that’s perfect if that’s the case, so it just becomes one unit in the game?

PiNKSH!TOP•4/2/23, 1:18 AM

yep, use the VPforce Loopback app to "join" the grip & base, then use HIDHide to hide the joystick from whatever sim you choose

AndyHill•4/2/23, 1:18 AM

that's an interesting point I missed actually

NNaudiz The Rhino specifically, I got the impression the Brunner isn’t that desirable in...

PiNKSH!TOP•4/2/23, 1:18 AM

Hang on, you saw a YT vid of a Rhino overheating in 90 seconds? Or did I missunderstand?

AndyHill•4/2/23, 1:19 AM

minutes

PPiNKSH!T Hang on, you saw a YT vid of a Rhino overheating in 90 seconds? Or did I missund...

Naudiz•4/2/23, 1:19 AM

Minutes

Naudiz•4/2/23, 1:19 AM

Seconds would be pretty funny though

AAndyHill that's an interesting point I missed actually

PiNKSH!TOP•4/2/23, 1:19 AM

it's really handy, if I wasn't so lazy I would redo all my DCS binds like that too

AndyHill•4/2/23, 1:20 AM

I got it to overheat when testing, but it was not very dramatic

Naudiz•4/2/23, 1:20 AM

I don’t think “overheating” is necessarily the right term, but the reviewer mentions heat protection measures when it hit 50 degrees

AndyHill•4/2/23, 1:20 AM

it happens if you fly horribly out of trim (DR1 in Il-2) for extended period of time

AAndyHill it happens if you fly horribly out of trim (DR1 in Il-2) for extended period of ...

Naudiz•4/2/23, 1:21 AM

“Horribly out of trim” is usually how people describe my flying style anyways

NNaudiz Minutes

PiNKSH!TOP•4/2/23, 1:21 AM

oh, sorry just miss read, that's funny I've played IL2 for a good few hours before & had no trouble, DCS lately has just been training missions though doing those for a good couple hrs at a time I never even heard the fans kick in very loud, or at all really, got a link?

AndyHill•4/2/23, 1:21 AM

do note that by the time you reach that point you will probably feel like you've been wrestling with the plane

AndyHill•4/2/23, 1:22 AM

it's also one of the compromises FFB sticks all tend to make

PPiNKSH!T oh, sorry just miss read, that's funny I've played IL2 for a good few hours befo...

Naudiz•4/2/23, 1:22 AM

Yep, it was a stress test for the purpose of overheating it, but my concern is primarily that I would be using it less intensely but for multiple hours at a time

https://youtu.be/-s66xV3URy4

YouTubeAntti Ilomäki

VPForce Rhino stress test live

I'm not ready to state anything conclusive as of yet, so here's basically a live recording of some stress testing. Jump to the relevant bits if you wish, but should you want to, you can just watch the whole thing and see exactly what happens in-game while I run the test.

Unfortunately I had some problems with sound cutting out, but you should ...

NNaudiz I don’t think “overheating” is necessarily the right term, but the reviewer ment...

PiNKSH!TOP•4/2/23, 1:23 AM

ahh ok, I'll have to keep an eye on the temps more & maybe try some stress test flying to see what temps I get

AndyHill•4/2/23, 1:23 AM

the ability to provide max force indefinitely requires either incredible cooling or setting the forces really low

AndyHill•4/2/23, 1:23 AM

that's actually me, btw

AAndyHill that's actually me, btw

Naudiz•4/2/23, 1:23 AM

Oh really lol

AndyHill•4/2/23, 1:23 AM

yeah wouldn't trust that dude very much

Naudiz•4/2/23, 1:24 AM

Have I been sat explaining your own review to you this whole time

AndyHill•4/2/23, 1:24 AM

not really, it's not a review as such

AndyHill•4/2/23, 1:24 AM

unfortunately you can't quite see the adapter in that vid

Naudiz•4/2/23, 1:24 AM

You should definitely consider a similar video on some DCS modules if you do use those

NNaudiz Yep, it was a stress test for the purpose of overheating it, but my concern is p...

PiNKSH!TOP•4/2/23, 1:25 AM

well like I mentioned above I can say that I've used it for maybe upto 3hrs on IL2 hard to say how much on DCS lately but a lot of training missions for at least 2 - 3 hrs I've only seen temps at 34*

PPiNKSH!T well like I mentioned above I can say that I've used it for maybe upto 3hrs on I...

Naudiz•4/2/23, 1:25 AM

Probably shouldn’t be too bad then, my room tends to be a little too cold anyways

Naudiz•4/2/23, 1:25 AM

So the fans would benefit

AndyHill•4/2/23, 1:26 AM

one thing with overheating is that planes tend to run out of either fuel or energy or both fairly quickly in a dogfight so you won't be yanking on the stick for hours

AndyHill•4/2/23, 1:27 AM

also if you're so inclined, the Rhino allows you to cheat by giving you a trim on all planes

AndyHill•4/2/23, 1:28 AM

so for example you don't have to fight the DR1 all the way to the stratosphere

PiNKSH!TOP•4/2/23, 1:29 AM

I'm not sure how it would work with power draw & basically every other aspect, but I wonder if extra fans or larger fans could be used in over heating was a problem?

AndyHill•4/2/23, 1:30 AM

there's probably also space considerations in how big fans and cooling holes you can have in the Rhino base

Naudiz•4/2/23, 1:31 AM

That 800€ price tag is shrinking by the minute

Naudiz•4/2/23, 1:31 AM

Maybe this isn’t a decision to be made at 03.30 at night though lol

AndyHill•4/2/23, 1:31 AM

maybe have a few drinks to help you think

AndyHill•4/2/23, 1:32 AM

anyway all of my experiences are basically extended initial impressions so I'm not going to recommend anything yet

AndyHill•4/2/23, 1:32 AM

I don't for example really know how much of an issue the overheating is actually going to be

AndyHill•4/2/23, 1:33 AM

The Rhino just has so many answers to so many of the problems I've personally had with other controllers that I'm very impressed so far

PiNKSH!TOP•4/2/23, 1:33 AM

Also with it's adapters the Rhino can work with any grip from TM, Virpil, Winwing & VKB, so you don't need to buy the expensive bases if you wish to get a grip from another company

Naudiz•4/2/23, 1:33 AM

I wouldn’t sign up for the waiting list without being 100% certain I will buy it when the offer comes, but it seems to be a long wait

PPiNKSH!T Also with it's adapters the Rhino can work with any grip from TM, Virpil, Winwin...

Naudiz•4/2/23, 1:34 AM

I have the MCGU right now and I’m super happy with it, if I was able to stick with that I definitely would

AndyHill•4/2/23, 1:34 AM

well that vid of mine is with MCGU as it's my favorite grip of all time

AndyHill•4/2/23, 1:34 AM

or is it

AndyHill•4/2/23, 1:35 AM

I don't remember, it could also be the mongoos

AndyHill•4/2/23, 1:35 AM

I did test the mongoos as well as the MCGU, frankly didn't bother with TM stuffs

Hey m8, not sure if this got covered or not but, Walmis has made a Loopback app that can effectively

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