VPforce Controls•3y ago

@pinksht These are two different problems 🙂 Not sure what's up with XPforce though. Does it happen

@pinksht These are two different problems

Not sure what's up with XPforce though. Does it happen only when 2 FFB devices are used simultaneously?

Wwalmis @pinksht These are two different problems 🙂 Not sure what's up with XPforce tho...

PiNKSH!T•4/24/23, 4:21 AM

Ooops sorry, got that one wrong

smitty•4/24/23, 5:06 AM

ive tried shutting down the pedals but it still happens. pedals by themself is ok. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

walmisOP•4/24/23, 5:11 AM

can you check the XPforce log file ? Or attach it here

ddrake1984•4/24/23, 6:06 AM

Proof that Walmis is thinking of working on pedals

Wwalmis can you check the XPforce log file ? Or attach it here

smitty•4/24/23, 11:36 AM

its 100mb

here is the last 4000 lines

smitty•4/24/23, 11:36 AM

XPForce_last.log257.82KB

smitty•4/24/23, 11:42 AM

and FWIW my vjoy setup has the ffb disabled & i dont run the rhino's thru it with gremlin at all. and gremlin wasnt even running, i am migrating away from it now

smitty•4/24/23, 11:42 AM

walmisOP•4/24/23, 1:01 PM

2023-04-24 : 00:36:43 ( 3764): Lost an effect - will try to reacquire.
2023-04-24 : 00:36:43 ( 3764): Shutting down force effects.

2023-04-24 : 00:36:43 ( 3764): Lost an effect - will try to reacquire.
2023-04-24 : 00:36:43 ( 3764): Shutting down force effects.

Not sure what's going on here.
Could try disabling vJoy completely? Does it happen only when two Rhino boards are used simultaneously?

smitty•4/24/23, 2:10 PM

will give that a try. i'm transitioning away from this 1st vjoy device, i used it to combine a bunch of things so i wouldnt have to switch so many devices in msfs to change planes. now i'm using SPAD.next for that, but needed to make the 2nd vjoy because turboprops have a condition lever that has weird inputs, and the vjoy is a go-between to accept "button presses" depending on lever position.

Stal2k•4/24/23, 2:22 PM

Hey all - am I the only one having trouble with VPForce-Telem? I did an update (git pull for TelemFFB) and unclear if that causes this but I'm getting this error. Some light Googling would indicate PyQt apparently changes things around from time to time which begs the question; did I inadvertently update this localizing this to me, or does TelemFFB need to be updated?

walmisOP•4/24/23, 2:26 PM

hey try

pip install -U pyqt5

pip install -U pyqt5

or get the precompiled exe version from github releases

Stal2k•4/24/23, 2:27 PM

Welp that did the dew.

Stal2k•4/24/23, 2:29 PM

Was that an update I just missed? I tend to just run a git pull from the command line every few days, guess I should get in the habit of checking the page?

ddrake1984•4/24/23, 2:29 PM

exe is great, no need for python

Dddrake1984 exe is great, no need for python 🙂

Stal2k•4/24/23, 2:30 PM

Ya, I didn't realize it had one now I'll prob switch. I feel like I need to cold-start DCS at this point with all the shit to run all the shit I use

ddrake1984•4/24/23, 2:30 PM

oh, I hear ya

Knight59•4/24/23, 4:07 PM

is there a new telem version? latest version I see is dated March 19th...

YYe Old Grog I thought Durham made a post earlier saying this problem went away if he removed...

TC-Durham•4/24/23, 4:19 PM

I am sure it is a wiring issue in the extension as when the cable is stretched straight out behavior is okay, only when compressed that I get the errant button behavior. Ordered another one this morning, and can meanwhile manage with the stick with the solid button 1 and the apache, the force trim effect being the main reason to buy the rhino in the first place.

walmisOP•4/24/23, 4:30 PM

@Rhino Owner @FFB/Kit Owner I've pushed a firmware update today. Fixed some quirks and the

Force Compensation

Force Compensation

function should work properly now when axis is scaled.
@.durham Try it out, maybe it will help with the issue you're having.

Reed•4/24/23, 5:16 PM

With the travel limiter that can be 3D printed. Do any of you have a source for the total travel or deflection for a uh-60, ec145, 64c etc. looking for a good approximate number so I can print one limiter plate.

Wwalmis @Rhino Owner @FFB/Kit Owner I've pushed a firmware update today. Fixed some quir...

inpayne•4/24/23, 6:57 PM

What does force compensation do? A quick look through the manual I don’t see it on there.

Iinpayne What does force compensation do? A quick look through the manual I don’t see it ...

ju_caesar•4/24/23, 8:34 PM

The gimbal only has a finite amount of stiffness. At full force and full deflection, the gimbal will eat some of the travel, such that the motor won't see the full deflection but only a certain fraction.
At least this is what I understood it does.

Wwalmis ``` 2023-04-24 : 00:36:43 ( 3764): Lost an effect - will try to reacquire. 2023-...

smitty•4/24/23, 10:40 PM

so far, disabling vjoy seems to have fixed it- ill have to fully migrate away from it now!

Rob EB•4/24/23, 11:06 PM

@walmis After applying the new firmware update I'm seeing some odd behaviour with force comp on the X axis. Increasing the comp is reducing the reported axis deflection rather than compensating for loss of deflection caused by the spring induced flex. Y axis comp is working correctly (although it seems to be much more effective now).

I have an 11 degree throw limiter installed and axis have been calibrated with it.

Wwalmis What spring Filter value do you have set?

inpayne•4/24/23, 11:40 PM

Can you explain where this setting is? I don’t see it

inpayne•4/25/23, 2:36 AM

nvm i found it.

smitty•4/25/23, 3:27 AM

Just to make sure before i wire this up, is this the correct order? match pin names except Shift Register Do -> Main board Di, and Di on shift register not used?

smitty•4/25/23, 3:38 AM

and then the joystick like this?

RRob EB @walmis After applying the new firmware update I'm seeing some odd behaviour wit...

walmisOP•4/25/23, 4:43 AM

Thanks I'll check this first thing and push another update

Ssmitty and then the joystick like this?

walmisOP•4/25/23, 5:41 AM

Yes, these are exactly correct

Ssmitty so far, disabling vjoy seems to have fixed it- ill have to fully migrate away f...

Will3D•4/25/23, 6:13 AM

Vjoy gave me nojoy. I uninstalled it also.

RRob EB @walmis After applying the new firmware update I'm seeing some odd behaviour wit...

walmisOP•4/25/23, 8:08 AM

Should be fixed in v1.0.14-5

Wwalmis Should be fixed in v1.0.14-5

Rob EB•4/25/23, 8:40 AM

Fixed! Thanks

WWill3D Vjoy gave me nojoy. I uninstalled it also.

TheAmazinGreat•4/25/23, 12:12 PM

This is concerning for me. As I rely on joystick gremlin and hid hide. I hope I can make it work.

TheAmazinGreat•4/25/23, 12:13 PM

Surely many Rhino and kit owners are using vjoy/gremlin. I wonder why it’s been a problem for you guys.

TTheAmazinGreat Surely many Rhino and kit owners are using vjoy/gremlin. I wonder why it’s been ...

PiNKSH!T•4/25/23, 12:25 PM

I've used the Rhino with HID Hide a few times so far I've had no trouble, using a vkb grip & the VPforce Loopback app plus hid hide to make IL2 see the Rhino & grip as one & not see the vkb grip alone.

PPiNKSH!T I've used the Rhino with HID Hide a few times so far I've had no trouble, using ...

TheAmazinGreat•4/25/23, 1:15 PM

Glad to hear it doesn’t sound like HID hide is the issue. But I use Gremlin/vJoy to merge the throttle and clutch on my sim racing pedals into a single axis for rudder pedals in flight sims. So I need to keep it enabled.

TTheAmazinGreat Glad to hear it doesn’t sound like HID hide is the issue. But I use Gremlin/vJoy...

PiNKSH!T•4/25/23, 1:20 PM

time to invest in separate rudder pedals?

Even just the 'cheap' Logitech ones will do, their what I use, plus light & easy to move, I have my logitech racing pedals mounted inverted above my rudder pedals & they both fit

TheAmazinGreat•4/25/23, 1:21 PM

I saw in the previous discussion with @smitty981 it was maybe xpforce related? I don’t have plans to use XPForce so if that’s really the issue then it’s no big deal.

TheAmazinGreat•4/25/23, 1:28 PM

Smitty, did you try it at all with vJoy enabled, without XPForce?

amadeus•4/25/23, 3:23 PM

I use vjoy and joystick gremlin and have no issues? I made a custom plugin to do differential braking with the lever on my joystick grip combined with my rudder pedals

Aamadeus I use vjoy and joystick gremlin and have no issues? I made a custom plugin to do...

TheAmazinGreat•4/25/23, 4:10 PM

Thanks, I figured there had to be more experiences. Glad to hear it’s worked for you!

TheAmazinGreat•4/25/23, 4:10 PM

I’m down to the point of printing my pulleys and then sourcing belts for my kit build. I am getting antsy to try it out!

TTheAmazinGreat Smitty, did you try it at all with vJoy enabled, without XPForce?

smitty•4/25/23, 5:49 PM

It works as a joystick without xpforce but what’s the fun in that?

Havebug•4/25/23, 7:55 PM

With latest IL2 patch, the Y axis spring force seems gone... anyone having same issue?

Rails•4/25/23, 8:04 PM

Yep that’s what I’m experiencing

Havebug•4/25/23, 8:06 PM

It must be the game... with DCS working as usual

smitty•4/25/23, 9:42 PM

so i wired up as shown.. have 5v on the shift register.. and nothing. generic debug shows this

smitty•4/25/23, 9:44 PM

@pinksht These are two different problems 🙂 Not sure what's up with XPforce though. Does it happen

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