VPforce Controls•3y ago

Fix pushed http://vpforcecontrols.com/usb/rhino/

Rails•4/26/23, 10:42 AM

Awesome thank you sir.

Wwalmis 5V shouldn't kill it

smitty•4/26/23, 3:02 PM

it's dead-dead. no beeps, no windows usb sound. Going thru multiple combinations of wire to the SR i found that hooking it up straight to the 5 pin works. Also tried one of the other SR boards from the order and same thing there. i was about to test the longer 26ga cable without the db9 and while i was unsoldering, realized it was still plugged in on usb as the iron touched 5v and CS. it made a last 'beep!' and windows usb disconnect sound and then that was it.

smitty•4/26/23, 3:04 PM

Before it died i was getting same results on powered usb hub and pc usb ports.

smitty•4/26/23, 3:07 PM

the 26ga cable is only about 200mm long. what i dont get is, why would a correctly wired cable/connector not work? is it some insanely high speed or something? does it need shielding or twisted pairs?

TheAmazinGreat•4/26/23, 4:13 PM

Sorry to hear about the dead board. 200mm shouldn’t be too long, plenty of folks here using a 200mm extension with their grips. Not sure why the db9 wouldn’t work but you might try a different plug. I used the 5pin DIN for mine to match the TM and Virpil grips so they could be used if I ever picked one up.

TTheAmazinGreat Sorry to hear about the dead board. 200mm shouldn’t be too long, plenty of folks...

smitty•4/26/23, 4:52 PM

do you have a source for the din5? all i see are midi style plugs or mini din6. and a wiring diagram? alrough id rather keep the din9 where it is and make an extension to that in the future for tm/virpil

TheAmazinGreat•4/26/23, 4:58 PM

I got mine from digikey.

TheAmazinGreat•4/26/23, 5:02 PM

This is what I used for wiring. I will double/triple check this before ever plugging a commercial grip in, but since all I am using right now is a DIY grip I just made it match on the male side in the grip.

TTheAmazinGreat This is what I used for wiring. I will double/triple check this before ever plug...

walmisOP•4/26/23, 5:08 PM

You did get the shift register to work, right? Can't remember if you got one

TheAmazinGreat•4/26/23, 5:15 PM

Yes, I’ve got two shift registers and have both working. One in a free joy project and one with the VPForce mainboard. However my current grip is using an Arduino only as the SPI slave to handle buttons and axis since it doesn’t have that many buttons. I’ve got code for using an Arduino with and without the shift register and both are working! I had to go to the Arduino only setup because I didn’t build enough space in my grip for both boards but my next version will have space for both.

smitty•4/26/23, 5:15 PM

for the record i DID have it working for a short time, but with ONLY this cable in use https://www.amazon.com/dp/B073ZGHN38?th=1

Fly RC 14.8v 4s Lipo Battery 5pins Balance Charger Cable Lead Wire ...

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Ssmitty for the record i DID have it working for a short time, but with ONLY this cable ...

TheAmazinGreat•4/26/23, 5:18 PM

I used a similar setup but got the stuff to make my own JST cables with plugs. The only non-JST plug between my grip and main board is the one 5 pin miniDin for commercial grip compatibility.

walmisOP•4/26/23, 5:18 PM

@smitty981 do you have another board to test? It's weird though that you ran into these issues.

walmisOP•4/26/23, 5:19 PM

I'll double check on my end tomorrow with a scope

smitty•4/26/23, 5:20 PM

yeah i have 2 installed, and 4 3 more for the other 2 guys rigs that arent fully welded up yet.. but will eventually need another usb board. just afraid to burn another at this point haha

smitty•4/26/23, 5:21 PM

is there a firmware controlled speed on that line? wondering why it would be so wonky with a DIY cable.

smitty•4/26/23, 5:22 PM

like its running at 10ghz or something

walmisOP•4/26/23, 5:25 PM

It's quite slow, approx 0.8MHz

smitty•4/26/23, 5:25 PM

i dont need CoD trigger low latency, i just want to click to chat on discord

smitty•4/26/23, 5:26 PM

hmm. ok . maybe ill try a twisted pair wire

walmisOP•4/26/23, 5:27 PM

But data edge polarity is different on the S/R board, hence the additional profile for it in the configurator.
I've tested with a long cable without problems, but will recheck tmrw to confirm.

smitty•4/26/23, 6:55 PM

It works with a just twisted pair wire. But not with the db9

even though I get conductivity end to end!! Wtf

Wwalmis Fix pushed http://vpforcecontrols.com/usb/rhino/

amadeus•4/26/23, 9:54 PM

oh wait -- so this wasn't actually an IL2 bug then? it was a rhino bug?

Aamadeus oh wait -- so this wasn't actually an IL2 bug then? it was a rhino bug?

walmisOP•4/27/23, 5:25 AM

Yep, was introduced in 04.24 update and fixed yesterday.

Wwalmis Yep, was introduced in 04.24 update and fixed yesterday.

LeLv30_Superbus•4/27/23, 2:44 PM

Where can I get this update? I only see v1.0.14 in downloads page?

walmisOP•4/27/23, 2:45 PM

here

LeLv30_Superbus•4/27/23, 2:49 PM

But...

I have only one executable: VPforce_FFB_Configurator.exe where can I get that web tool thingy?

walmisOP•4/27/23, 2:49 PM

http://vpforcecontrols.com/usb/rhino/

LeLv30_Superbus•4/27/23, 2:49 PM

walmisOP•4/27/23, 2:49 PM

Open it with webusb compatible browser: Edge, Chrome, Brave

LLeLv30_Superbus But... 😕 I have only one executable: VPforce_FFB_Configurator.exe where can I ...

PiNKSH!T•4/27/23, 2:49 PM

also the pop up that comes up in windows when you plug in the Rhino will take you there

LeLv30_Superbus•4/27/23, 2:50 PM

So Firefox which I use does not work, okay thanks

walmisOP•4/27/23, 2:50 PM

Yeah, Mozilla doesn't support webusb

LeLv30_Superbus•4/27/23, 2:53 PM

Error: NotFoundError: Failed to execute 'requestDevice' on 'USB': No device selected.

LeLv30_Superbus•4/27/23, 2:53 PM

Error: TypeError: Cannot read properties of null (reading 'configurations')

walmisOP•4/27/23, 2:54 PM

try again, maybe you're using a hub?

LeLv30_Superbus•4/27/23, 2:55 PM

Device Firmware: v1.0.14-6

LeLv30_Superbus•4/27/23, 2:56 PM

is it the right one now?

walmisOP•4/27/23, 2:56 PM

yep, latest

LeLv30_Superbus•4/27/23, 2:56 PM

cheers

Ssmitty It works with a just twisted pair wire. But not with the db9😡 even though I get...

walmisOP•4/27/23, 7:18 PM

Found the problem today. With a long cable, there's some cross-talk and the jittery rising clock signal causes it to register as two clock inputs, I'll try adding a resistor on the data output line on the S/R side tomorrow to slow down the slew rate and see if that fixes it.
Here in pic - yellow is rising clock edge and blue is toggling data line.