Sorry to hear about the dead board. 200mm shouldn’t be too long, plenty of folks here using a 200mm

Sorry to hear about the dead board. 200mm shouldn’t be too long, plenty of folks here using a 200mm extension with their grips. Not sure why the db9 wouldn’t work but you might try a different plug. I used the 5pin DIN for mine to match the TM and Virpil grips so they could be used if I ever picked one up.

TTheAmazinGreat Sorry to hear about the dead board. 200mm shouldn’t be too long, plenty of folks...

smitty•4/26/23, 4:52 PM

do you have a source for the din5? all i see are midi style plugs or mini din6. and a wiring diagram? alrough id rather keep the din9 where it is and make an extension to that in the future for tm/virpil

TheAmazinGreatOP•4/26/23, 4:58 PM

I got mine from digikey.

TheAmazinGreatOP•4/26/23, 5:02 PM

This is what I used for wiring. I will double/triple check this before ever plugging a commercial grip in, but since all I am using right now is a DIY grip I just made it match on the male side in the grip.

TTheAmazinGreat This is what I used for wiring. I will double/triple check this before ever plug...

walmis•4/26/23, 5:08 PM

You did get the shift register to work, right? Can't remember if you got one

TheAmazinGreatOP•4/26/23, 5:15 PM

Yes, I’ve got two shift registers and have both working. One in a free joy project and one with the VPForce mainboard. However my current grip is using an Arduino only as the SPI slave to handle buttons and axis since it doesn’t have that many buttons. I’ve got code for using an Arduino with and without the shift register and both are working! I had to go to the Arduino only setup because I didn’t build enough space in my grip for both boards but my next version will have space for both.

smitty•4/26/23, 5:15 PM

for the record i DID have it working for a short time, but with ONLY this cable in use https://www.amazon.com/dp/B073ZGHN38?th=1

Fly RC 14.8v 4s Lipo Battery 5pins Balance Charger Cable Lead Wire ...

Fly RC 14.8v 4s Lipo Battery 5pins Balance Charger Cable Lead Wire Connector (10pcs 4s 5pin)

Ssmitty for the record i DID have it working for a short time, but with ONLY this cable ...

TheAmazinGreatOP•4/26/23, 5:18 PM

I used a similar setup but got the stuff to make my own JST cables with plugs. The only non-JST plug between my grip and main board is the one 5 pin miniDin for commercial grip compatibility.

walmis•4/26/23, 5:18 PM

@smitty981 do you have another board to test? It's weird though that you ran into these issues.

walmis•4/26/23, 5:19 PM

I'll double check on my end tomorrow with a scope

smitty•4/26/23, 5:20 PM

yeah i have 2 installed, and 4 3 more for the other 2 guys rigs that arent fully welded up yet.. but will eventually need another usb board. just afraid to burn another at this point haha

smitty•4/26/23, 5:21 PM

is there a firmware controlled speed on that line? wondering why it would be so wonky with a DIY cable.

smitty•4/26/23, 5:22 PM

like its running at 10ghz or something

walmis•4/26/23, 5:25 PM

It's quite slow, approx 0.8MHz

smitty•4/26/23, 5:25 PM

i dont need CoD trigger low latency, i just want to click to chat on discord

smitty•4/26/23, 5:26 PM

hmm. ok . maybe ill try a twisted pair wire

walmis•4/26/23, 5:27 PM

But data edge polarity is different on the S/R board, hence the additional profile for it in the configurator.
I've tested with a long cable without problems, but will recheck tmrw to confirm.

smitty•4/26/23, 6:55 PM

It works with a just twisted pair wire. But not with the db9

even though I get conductivity end to end!! Wtf

Wwalmis Fix pushed http://vpforcecontrols.com/usb/rhino/

amadeus•4/26/23, 9:54 PM

oh wait -- so this wasn't actually an IL2 bug then? it was a rhino bug?

Aamadeus oh wait -- so this wasn't actually an IL2 bug then? it was a rhino bug?

walmis•4/27/23, 5:25 AM

Yep, was introduced in 04.24 update and fixed yesterday.

Wwalmis Yep, was introduced in 04.24 update and fixed yesterday.

LeLv30_Superbus•4/27/23, 2:44 PM

Where can I get this update? I only see v1.0.14 in downloads page?

walmis•4/27/23, 2:45 PM

here

LeLv30_Superbus•4/27/23, 2:49 PM

But...

I have only one executable: VPforce_FFB_Configurator.exe where can I get that web tool thingy?

walmis•4/27/23, 2:49 PM

http://vpforcecontrols.com/usb/rhino/

LeLv30_Superbus•4/27/23, 2:49 PM

walmis•4/27/23, 2:49 PM

Open it with webusb compatible browser: Edge, Chrome, Brave

LLeLv30_Superbus But... 😕 I have only one executable: VPforce_FFB_Configurator.exe where can I ...

PiNKSH!T•4/27/23, 2:49 PM

also the pop up that comes up in windows when you plug in the Rhino will take you there

LeLv30_Superbus•4/27/23, 2:50 PM

So Firefox which I use does not work, okay thanks

walmis•4/27/23, 2:50 PM

Yeah, Mozilla doesn't support webusb

LeLv30_Superbus•4/27/23, 2:53 PM

Error: NotFoundError: Failed to execute 'requestDevice' on 'USB': No device selected.

LeLv30_Superbus•4/27/23, 2:53 PM

Error: TypeError: Cannot read properties of null (reading 'configurations')

walmis•4/27/23, 2:54 PM

try again, maybe you're using a hub?

LeLv30_Superbus•4/27/23, 2:55 PM

Device Firmware: v1.0.14-6

LeLv30_Superbus•4/27/23, 2:56 PM

is it the right one now?

walmis•4/27/23, 2:56 PM

yep, latest

LeLv30_Superbus•4/27/23, 2:56 PM

cheers

Ssmitty It works with a just twisted pair wire. But not with the db9😡 even though I get...

walmis•4/27/23, 7:18 PM

Found the problem today. With a long cable, there's some cross-talk and the jittery rising clock signal causes it to register as two clock inputs, I'll try adding a resistor on the data output line on the S/R side tomorrow to slow down the slew rate and see if that fixes it.
Here in pic - yellow is rising clock edge and blue is toggling data line.

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Wwalmis Found the problem today. With a long cable, there's some cross-talk and the jitt...

TheAmazinGreatOP•4/27/23, 7:38 PM

How long is the cable?

walmis•4/27/23, 7:38 PM

um, around 1.5-2 meters

Wwalmis um, around 1.5-2 meters

TheAmazinGreatOP•4/27/23, 8:52 PM

Good info to know!

walmis•4/28/23, 6:04 AM

Added a 330ohm resistor on the data line from the shift register, solves the problem with a long wire

walmis•4/28/23, 6:04 AM

Will add it on the next revision of the board

smitty•4/28/23, 12:13 PM

i have a resistor variety pack i'll give that a try here too.

smitty•4/28/23, 12:15 PM

would it be better on the SR side or usb board side

walmis•4/28/23, 12:19 PM

on SR side

smitty•4/28/23, 3:20 PM

IT WORKS!

smitty•4/28/23, 4:25 PM

Hey i have a buddy that's pretty good with repairing phones and other tiny electronics and i happen to be seeing him tomorrow. Is there a spot on the board that you would think to look at first for that one i killed?

Ssmitty Hey i have a buddy that's pretty good with repairing phones and other tiny elect...

walmis•4/29/23, 8:41 AM

Probably the voltage regulator would be my first suspect, but the mcu might be damaged though.

PiNKSH!T•4/29/23, 3:25 PM

Hey Walmis I'm getting some funny effects in IL2 with the A-20, I think it might be related to inertia? The stick in game is sort of jumping along the axis, especially when I trim to full nose down, when I move the stick it jumps back to middle of Y axis. When I try to log the data it stops when I alt tab back? is there anyway to log the data & save the log file?

PPiNKSH!T Hey Walmis I'm getting some funny effects in IL2 with the A-20, I think it might...

walmis•4/29/23, 3:49 PM

Not sure what to make of this, too little information. Need something more to go on.
The data log button should stay activated irrespective from alt-tab status. Data is logged to samples.csv file inside the configurator folder.

Is it possible you have bound two different controllers for the main axis and they conflict?

PiNKSH!T•4/29/23, 3:52 PM

samples.csv8.69MB

Sorry to hear about the dead board. 200mm shouldn’t be too long, plenty of folks here using a 200mm

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