With it i can simply unhook the main spring and have non centering pedals for heli use, while still remaining stable. For jets just pop the spring back on.
I am holding off buying a new throttle until someone releases a F-15E one. I just received my Virpil CM3 to fill in until my Rhino arrives. Have a lot of tuning to do with it... so far, I do not see such a huge difference between it and the TM Warthog base.
I thought that you move the trim tab and that moves the elevator up or down. Now the elevator has moved the cable that connects it under the stick is under a slight bit of pressure. This moves the stick to find a new centrepoint.
Until I flew jets I never felt a yoke or stick move with trim with a trim tabbed airplane. at least not a real noticeable amount. Even in jets I fly now with moveable stabs it’s hardly noticeable nothing like DCS where they move so much.
In aircraft with unpowered controls, trim changes the neutral point of the control surface. In a normal WWII warbird, or a Cessna 172 for that matter, the stick (or yoke) won’t move with trim unless there are aerodynamic forces acting upon it. So changing trim when stationary on the ground won’t do anything. In flight the pilot will need to push or pull against the aerodynamic forces to keep the aircraft going straight and level. By trimming, the control surface neutral point moves to where the pilot is holding the stick/yoke. This effectively moves the stick/yoke. Some german aircraft, like the Bf-109, has got a variable incidence tailplane, which means that the stabilizer angle itself, is moving with trim. This should not affect the neutral position of the stick.
Right, but the movement is so small it’s basically impossible to tell in any civil piston aircraft I’ve flown. And very minor in jets with movable stabs. At speed such minor movements make big differences. Maybe it’s different in fighters but I’m guessing it’s overblown.
Collected the Rhino directly from the shipping company, at home now with it, looks beautifully made Walmis, look forward to using it now !! Looks like the Eagle will be out shortly, perfect timing
Yes, it’s more of a force that is cancelled out. I don’t know how it is simulated with FFB (yet ) but I imagine it moves the stick the distance that is required to accomplish the simulated control surface deflection. I don’t know if this simulation is realistic. Looking forward to try it out!
Tell us you trained on Diamonds without saying you trained on Diamonds. In everything I’ve ever flown (152,172,172RG,182,Archer,warrior,arrow,Seminole, SNJ-4, DA-20, DHC-8) the trim would displace the controls as it “flew” the tail. Full displacement. I even had training evolutions that involved landing only with elevator trim and rudder. And the yoke displaced exactly as expected. As if a ghost hand was pulling on it. Except for the DA-20. Because it just used spring tension to “trim” not an actual aerodynamic trim. Hands off on the ground it always would sit full nose down stick. You still displaced the stick to a different point given what you wanted your pitch attitude just like any plane. The spring just relieved the fixed nose down tension diamond built into their system.
I’ve never flown the Diamond. And I’m not sure who you are addressing, but since your post comes after mine, I’ll bite. Look at what I wrote earlier. 📃general
Trim moves the control surface. That’s what’s happening in most conventional aircraft. But the pilot feels this as if pulling or pushing against a force, that is relieved by trimming. That’s how I fly anyway. I control the stick with my hands, and then trim out the forces. But the SAAB MFI-15 Safari that I trained on, could loop from elevator trim only… It had a stabilator though.
@.rustbelt I've never flown a diamond either. In a SG-33 ( my current weekend flyer) the trim sets where the stick holds the cable at. There is no movement at all of the stick when you set the trim, the connection point to the cable changes. It's also kind of a point of view perspective too since on something like a Cessna you are trimming to a certain speed really. The natural push of the rear stabilizer changes with speed and your trim "sets" that speed. You set the trim to keep the stick in the same position while flying at different speeds. So for me I wouldn't want a simulation of a C172 to change the yoke position, I'd want the FFB to move the yoke until I trim it to stop moving. All about perspective I guess.
It is perspective because really no matter how you look at it, trim moves the “center” point of the control, or contrarywise moves the neutral to where you are holding the control to the point where hands off doesn’t cause any change in pitch attitude. It’s all inside out vs outside in visualizing the system.