VPforce Controls•3y ago

The only way is to tune the spring mapping, something like:

AndyHill•7/25/23, 7:10 PM

I did some testing with actual center detents and it was kind of halfway successful, but came with some adventures

Reed•7/25/23, 7:12 PM

Ok will try

AAndyHill I did some testing with actual center detents and it was kind of halfway success...

Reed•7/25/23, 7:12 PM

What did you finally decide worked for you?

AndyHill•7/25/23, 7:15 PM

AndyHill•7/25/23, 7:17 PM

and that was a very good and clear answer indeed, but actually caused by me flipping over a wireless keyboard not knowing that it was already on

AndyHill•7/25/23, 7:17 PM

anyway I wouldn't say that anything really worked for me very well

AndyHill•7/25/23, 7:18 PM

if you make that raised section on the curve really really tight you basically get detents, but there is a notable deadzone in the middle and there's a tendency for the stick to oscillate

AndyHill•7/25/23, 7:19 PM

if you totally screw things up and reverse the directions with rather high gains, you might end up with the w-f champion of the world

AndyHill•7/25/23, 7:20 PM

even better if you're sitting at your desk and forget that apply actually apparently instantly applies the setting to the stick in your pit

AndyHill•7/25/23, 7:21 PM

the reason I tested detents was because some planes actually apparently have them and if I showed people it was possible, they would have to start using detents or not be true hardcore

AndyHill•7/25/23, 7:23 PM

I guess the point in detents is that on some plane types you want really precise stick movements rather than smoothness across the movement area and detents help you isolate elevator and aileron axis (for example when you're in alt hold and don't want to mess with elevator while changing heading)

Wwalmis @b99487 Here's the Drawing for the MT mount

blave549•7/26/23, 5:31 PM

That drawing shows the plate thickness to be 4mm. My MT adapter plate for my Virpil CM3 stick base is 6mm. Is 4mm enough to firmly hold the Rhino in place? At about 11.5 lbs, I think it's a lot heavier than the CM3.

walmisOP•7/26/23, 6:43 PM

Yeah it's plenty, Rhino also has an 8mm MDF baseplate

PPhantom I have changed the grip type to winwing and plugged in my adapter but it doesn't...

Cuda•7/26/23, 7:53 PM

@walmis I fear I'm having the same issue here. For a little background I had a WW adapter that the pins got bent on that came with my VP Rhino delivery so I ordered a new one, however, despite ensuring good contact and proper pin seating I'm unable to detect any input from WW F16/EX Grip in Rhino config tool

My Setup:
Rhino -> Virpil Z-Extension -> WW Adapter -> F16EX Grip

What I have tried:

Rhino -> Thrustmaster WH Joystick Grip

Rhino -> Virpil Z-Extension -> Thrustmaster WH Joystick Grip

WW Orion 2 Base -> WW F16EX Grip

Rhino -> Virpil Z-Extension -> WW Adapter -> F16EX Grip

Rhino -> WW Adapter -> F16EX Grip

At this point I know the Z-Extension works because it worked with my Warthog Joystick, but nothing I plug into the WW adapter seems to work despite the grip working it's own WW Orion 2 Base

PPhantom do I need to change to that, then power off, close program, restart etc before t...

Spanner•7/27/23, 3:01 AM

@walmis i have this exact view and it just says the following when i set the grip type to debug... do you know what should i do?

FF FF FF FF FF FF FF 00 00 08 00 08 00 08 00 08

FF FF FF FF FF FF FF 00 00 08 00 08 00 08 00 08

Spanner•7/27/23, 3:03 AM

it also appears to be "loose"

Spanner•7/27/23, 3:03 AM

but applying pressure doesn't make input appear

SSpanner @walmis i have this exact view and it just says the following when i set the gri...

Cuda•7/27/23, 3:16 AM

Same...

PPhantom do you want a short vid clip of what i mean ?

Spanner•7/27/23, 3:37 AM

If you could send a short video that would be great

CCuda @walmis I fear I'm having the same issue here. For a little background I had a W...

papiplanes•7/27/23, 3:51 AM

I had a similar issue, but when I started up DCS I saw the binds working. Ensure you have the proper grip type in VP Config tool, and test the changes in dcs. For some reason windows game control window did not see the buttons on the F-16EX

SSpanner @walmis i have this exact view and it just says the following when i set the gri...

walmisOP•7/27/23, 4:26 AM

Looks like Rhino is able to read the adapter, the other end didn't mate properly. I've found you might need to push the 6 pin WW connector harder into the adapter socket.

Wwalmis Looks like Rhino is able to read the adapter, the other end didn't mate properly...

Spanner•7/27/23, 4:43 AM

I tried really hard but no dice… I have a WW base with me and it does work

Spanner•7/27/23, 4:43 AM

Anything else comes to mind? I tried to take it apart but wasn’t successful

walmisOP•7/27/23, 4:48 AM

D'oh, I'll probably mail you a new one

Spanner•7/27/23, 5:10 AM

If there’s anything I can do so that you don’t have to mail me a new one I’d like to try that… but if not, I’d appreciate a replacement

walmisOP•7/27/23, 5:32 AM

There's a hack you could try, but that involves a soldering iron

Let me know if you want to try.

Cuda•7/27/23, 5:34 AM

I'm willing to try if the alternative is mailing it back and waiting for another again

Wwalmis There's a hack you could try, but that involves a soldering iron 🙂 Let me know ...

Spanner•7/27/23, 5:35 AM

Same - I do have a soldering iron (or two), would love to avoid waiting for another

Spanner•7/27/23, 5:35 AM

But I could probably use some instructions

walmisOP•7/27/23, 5:36 AM

okay, I'll try to make a short vid

walmisOP•7/27/23, 5:55 AM

https://photos.app.goo.gl/um8ZC7NgLJRGkY5U7

Google Photos

2 new items by Valmantas Palikša

walmisOP•7/27/23, 5:55 AM

The idea is to push the pins in without creating solder bridges, only 3 pins labeled DATA GND and 3.3V are necessary, the others are NoConnect

walmisOP•7/27/23, 5:56 AM

To disassemble the plastic parts, mount it on the Rhino and then you can unscrew the 4 bolts holding it together

Cuda•7/27/23, 6:10 AM

ok I see! I will give this a shot in the morning. Thank you @walmis !

Spanner•7/27/23, 12:40 PM

@walmis I unscrewed the 4 screws, what do I do now?

walmisOP•7/27/23, 12:41 PM

pull out the top part

Spanner•7/27/23, 12:41 PM

with force?

Spanner•7/27/23, 12:41 PM

ah, indeed

Spanner•7/27/23, 12:47 PM

it looks like this, I’m going to try pushing it in

Spanner•7/27/23, 12:52 PM

Spanner•7/27/23, 12:53 PM

Pushed them in a good amount

walmisOP•7/27/23, 1:01 PM

let's hope it works

Spanner•7/27/23, 1:04 PM

Spanner•7/27/23, 1:04 PM

it does!!!

Spanner•7/27/23, 1:05 PM

thank you!!! @walmis

Spanner•7/27/23, 1:06 PM

there are 3 axis on this grip though - any way for me to use those axis?

walmisOP•7/27/23, 1:20 PM

yeah, select WinWing adapter profile, axes should show up in windows controller settings

Spanner•7/27/23, 2:08 PM

@walmis is it still possible to get a replacement part? i noticed teh connection is quite unstable... it's very easy for the buttons to disappear if i move the stick

Spanner•7/27/23, 2:18 PM

damn, now i just get 0xFFs with the adapter... maybe i shorted something when i was doing this

[10:18:21.030]  FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF

[10:18:21.030]  FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF

Cuda•7/27/23, 2:23 PM

Long story short, Mine works too!

Long story long:

I had 2 adapters because I goofed and snapped a pin in half on my first (Adapter A)
I got a new one yesterday (Adapter B) and had the issue above
I tried the fix on Adapter B and it didn't work. I think I might have created a solder bridge so I removed the solder with some solder wick and couldn't find my excess solder so I figured I'd try the fix on Adapter A even with one pin being about half length and missing that middle stabilizing plastic piece.
I did a much better job with pushing the pins without messing up the solder on this one, however, when I put it all back together and tried it I had to get just enough force on the Rhino -> Adapter port for it to register. I'm worried if I move it too much it will likely disconnect one day.
So I'm waiting on some new solder for Adapter B to see if I can salvage that one

But pushing up the pins, did seem to have the desired effect for now.

The only way is to tune the spring mapping, something like:

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