@Perksey I think it'd be ok to just still have a bit of a chat (although we'd be missing out on the

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Lyris the Kitori•8/5/23, 2:04 PM

inflation hitting hard
not even a 10x dev, im only a 2x dev

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KaiOP•8/5/23, 2:13 PM

lmao

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jvyden•8/5/23, 3:34 PM

not even a rockstar dev, just a rock dev

KKai @Perksey I think it'd be ok to just still have a bit of a chat (although we'd be...

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Perksey•8/5/23, 4:23 PM

yeah that’s fine, this is mostly a 3.0 C&C anyway

KKai I don't really understand the edge case here

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Perksey•8/5/23, 4:35 PM

1am brain, I meant:

public static implicit operator PtrType<Ptr<int>>(int** thing);
public static implicit operator PtrType<int>(int* thing);

public static implicit operator PtrType<Ptr<int>>(int** thing);
public static implicit operator PtrType<int>(int* thing);

public static implicit operator PtrType<Ptr<int>>(int** thing);
public static implicit operator PtrType<int>(int* thing);

public static implicit operator PtrType<Ptr<int>>(int** thing);
public static implicit operator PtrType<int>(int* thing);

isn't legal, only:

public static implicit operator PtrType<T>(T* thing);

public static implicit operator PtrType<T>(T* thing);

public static implicit operator PtrType<T>(T* thing);

public static implicit operator PtrType<T>(T* thing);

is.

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Perksey•8/5/23, 4:36 PM

i.e. you can't specialize operators

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Perksey•8/5/23, 4:36 PM

and one of the design goals is to make unsafe usage seamless to keep the skyes of the world happy

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KaiOP•8/5/23, 4:38 PM

Hmm

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Aqua•8/5/23, 4:39 PM

coffee and code is still on today for 6pm?

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KaiOP•8/5/23, 4:52 PM

I think it's in 8 min

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KaiOP•8/5/23, 4:52 PM

I'll try to be on time but just getting out my groceries

AAqua coffee and code is still on today for 6pm?

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Perksey•8/5/23, 4:53 PM

yessir

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Aqua•8/5/23, 4:56 PM

alrighty cool

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KaiOP•8/5/23, 7:56 PM

Made a SilkX fork, i'll look into the while pointer thing again at some point

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Perksey•8/6/23, 2:57 PM

ok so I've decided it will technically only be 14 top-level types.

Mut
Ptr
MutMut
MutPtr
PtrMut
PtrPtr
MutMutMut
MutMutPtr
MutPtrMut
MutPtrPtr
PtrMutMut
PtrMutPtr
PtrPtrMut
PtrPtrPtr

Mut
Ptr
MutMut
MutPtr
PtrMut
PtrPtr
MutMutMut
MutMutPtr
MutPtrMut
MutPtrPtr
PtrMutMut
PtrMutPtr
PtrPtrMut
PtrPtrPtr

Mut
Ptr
MutMut
MutPtr
PtrMut
PtrPtr
MutMutMut
MutMutPtr
MutPtrMut
MutPtrPtr
PtrMutMut
PtrMutPtr
PtrPtrMut
PtrPtrPtr

Mut
Ptr
MutMut
MutPtr
PtrMut
PtrPtr
MutMutMut
MutMutPtr
MutPtrMut
MutPtrPtr
PtrMutMut
PtrMutPtr
PtrPtrMut
PtrPtrPtr

however each will have a generic and non-generic version, and within each type there will be a subtype called

Untracked

Untracked

Untracked

Untracked which is a non-ref-struct.

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Perksey•8/6/23, 2:57 PM

yeah

PtrMutPtr<int>.Untracked

PtrMutPtr<int>.Untracked

PtrMutPtr<int>.Untracked

PtrMutPtr<int>.Untracked looks real goofy but hey ho

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Perksey•8/6/23, 9:33 PM

@baebey attempted to add BreakneckSleep to implement this help-and-questions

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Volte•8/6/23, 9:33 PM

khitiara#0000

yup heres the excerpt from raylib

Original Message

Click here

Quoted by perksey#0000

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Perksey•8/6/23, 9:33 PM

but I don't seem to be having the same accuracy you were having with the windows timers?

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Lyris the Kitori•8/6/23, 9:34 PM

you have a modern version of Win10/11 right?

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Perksey•8/6/23, 9:34 PM

yeah

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Perksey•8/6/23, 9:34 PM

eh actually i think it's the JIT cold start, it's mostly ok

60 FPS = 53.650946939213476 FPS
60 FPS = 58.87235883880159 FPS
60 FPS = 58.9098149642712 FPS
60 FPS = 58.84325921044115 FPS
60 FPS = 58.98800184042565 FPS
120 FPS = 119.13839115516585 FPS
120 FPS = 118.81846914284355 FPS
120 FPS = 119.29615269907546 FPS
120 FPS = 118.92586161786741 FPS
120 FPS = 119.002284843869 FPS
240 FPS = 228.81724366748278 FPS
240 FPS = 231.03758981586304 FPS
240 FPS = 228.48786729424668 FPS
240 FPS = 222.96046910882703 FPS
240 FPS = 224.48200776707748 FPS
480 FPS = 395.05392486074345 FPS
480 FPS = 404.040404040404 FPS
480 FPS = 400.753416422875 FPS
480 FPS = 407.74719673802247 FPS
480 FPS = 394.2129538376631 FPS
960 FPS = 645.7028475495576 FPS
960 FPS = 694.7339169098235 FPS
960 FPS = 710.1264024996449 FPS
960 FPS = 654.5787785559992 FPS
960 FPS = 654.1077969649398 FPS

60 FPS = 53.650946939213476 FPS
60 FPS = 58.87235883880159 FPS
60 FPS = 58.9098149642712 FPS
60 FPS = 58.84325921044115 FPS
60 FPS = 58.98800184042565 FPS
120 FPS = 119.13839115516585 FPS
120 FPS = 118.81846914284355 FPS
120 FPS = 119.29615269907546 FPS
120 FPS = 118.92586161786741 FPS
120 FPS = 119.002284843869 FPS
240 FPS = 228.81724366748278 FPS
240 FPS = 231.03758981586304 FPS
240 FPS = 228.48786729424668 FPS
240 FPS = 222.96046910882703 FPS
240 FPS = 224.48200776707748 FPS
480 FPS = 395.05392486074345 FPS
480 FPS = 404.040404040404 FPS
480 FPS = 400.753416422875 FPS
480 FPS = 407.74719673802247 FPS
480 FPS = 394.2129538376631 FPS
960 FPS = 645.7028475495576 FPS
960 FPS = 694.7339169098235 FPS
960 FPS = 710.1264024996449 FPS
960 FPS = 654.5787785559992 FPS
960 FPS = 654.1077969649398 FPS

60 FPS = 53.650946939213476 FPS
60 FPS = 58.87235883880159 FPS
60 FPS = 58.9098149642712 FPS
60 FPS = 58.84325921044115 FPS
60 FPS = 58.98800184042565 FPS
120 FPS = 119.13839115516585 FPS
120 FPS = 118.81846914284355 FPS
120 FPS = 119.29615269907546 FPS
120 FPS = 118.92586161786741 FPS
120 FPS = 119.002284843869 FPS
240 FPS = 228.81724366748278 FPS
240 FPS = 231.03758981586304 FPS
240 FPS = 228.48786729424668 FPS
240 FPS = 222.96046910882703 FPS
240 FPS = 224.48200776707748 FPS
480 FPS = 395.05392486074345 FPS
480 FPS = 404.040404040404 FPS
480 FPS = 400.753416422875 FPS
480 FPS = 407.74719673802247 FPS
480 FPS = 394.2129538376631 FPS
960 FPS = 645.7028475495576 FPS
960 FPS = 694.7339169098235 FPS
960 FPS = 710.1264024996449 FPS
960 FPS = 654.5787785559992 FPS
960 FPS = 654.1077969649398 FPS

60 FPS = 53.650946939213476 FPS
60 FPS = 58.87235883880159 FPS
60 FPS = 58.9098149642712 FPS
60 FPS = 58.84325921044115 FPS
60 FPS = 58.98800184042565 FPS
120 FPS = 119.13839115516585 FPS
120 FPS = 118.81846914284355 FPS
120 FPS = 119.29615269907546 FPS
120 FPS = 118.92586161786741 FPS
120 FPS = 119.002284843869 FPS
240 FPS = 228.81724366748278 FPS
240 FPS = 231.03758981586304 FPS
240 FPS = 228.48786729424668 FPS
240 FPS = 222.96046910882703 FPS
240 FPS = 224.48200776707748 FPS
480 FPS = 395.05392486074345 FPS
480 FPS = 404.040404040404 FPS
480 FPS = 400.753416422875 FPS
480 FPS = 407.74719673802247 FPS
480 FPS = 394.2129538376631 FPS
960 FPS = 645.7028475495576 FPS
960 FPS = 694.7339169098235 FPS
960 FPS = 710.1264024996449 FPS
960 FPS = 654.5787785559992 FPS
960 FPS = 654.1077969649398 FPS

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Perksey•8/6/23, 9:34 PM

this is after i switched to release mode

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Lyris the Kitori•8/6/23, 9:35 PM

i wonder if ARM just has really tight timings? most of my testing was done on ARM windows

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Lyris the Kitori•8/6/23, 9:35 PM

i was getting accuracy down to the sub-milisecond

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Perksey•8/6/23, 9:35 PM

60 FPS = 59.9790073474284 FPS
60 FPS = 59.97648921622724 FPS
60 FPS = 59.983684437832906 FPS
60 FPS = 59.98260504453709 FPS
120 FPS = 119.92852260053009 FPS
120 FPS = 119.91989351113456 FPS
120 FPS = 119.90982780948725 FPS
120 FPS = 119.91701742394262 FPS
120 FPS = 119.9616122840691 FPS
240 FPS = 239.93473775133162 FPS
240 FPS = 239.58408203358968 FPS
240 FPS = 236.6807886203877 FPS
240 FPS = 239.652982481367 FPS
240 FPS = 237.02299123014933 FPS
480 FPS = 479.6623177283193 FPS
480 FPS = 421.69182761238085 FPS
480 FPS = 479.59330487746394 FPS
480 FPS = 431.16457551847543 FPS
480 FPS = 479.0648653827728 FPS
960 FPS = 959.048623765225 FPS
960 FPS = 958.9566551591869 FPS
960 FPS = 689.4649751792609 FPS
960 FPS = 959.2326139088728 FPS
960 FPS = 958.8647041902387 FPS

60 FPS = 59.9790073474284 FPS
60 FPS = 59.97648921622724 FPS
60 FPS = 59.983684437832906 FPS
60 FPS = 59.98260504453709 FPS
120 FPS = 119.92852260053009 FPS
120 FPS = 119.91989351113456 FPS
120 FPS = 119.90982780948725 FPS
120 FPS = 119.91701742394262 FPS
120 FPS = 119.9616122840691 FPS
240 FPS = 239.93473775133162 FPS
240 FPS = 239.58408203358968 FPS
240 FPS = 236.6807886203877 FPS
240 FPS = 239.652982481367 FPS
240 FPS = 237.02299123014933 FPS
480 FPS = 479.6623177283193 FPS
480 FPS = 421.69182761238085 FPS
480 FPS = 479.59330487746394 FPS
480 FPS = 431.16457551847543 FPS
480 FPS = 479.0648653827728 FPS
960 FPS = 959.048623765225 FPS
960 FPS = 958.9566551591869 FPS
960 FPS = 689.4649751792609 FPS
960 FPS = 959.2326139088728 FPS
960 FPS = 958.8647041902387 FPS

60 FPS = 59.9790073474284 FPS
60 FPS = 59.97648921622724 FPS
60 FPS = 59.983684437832906 FPS
60 FPS = 59.98260504453709 FPS
120 FPS = 119.92852260053009 FPS
120 FPS = 119.91989351113456 FPS
120 FPS = 119.90982780948725 FPS
120 FPS = 119.91701742394262 FPS
120 FPS = 119.9616122840691 FPS
240 FPS = 239.93473775133162 FPS
240 FPS = 239.58408203358968 FPS
240 FPS = 236.6807886203877 FPS
240 FPS = 239.652982481367 FPS
240 FPS = 237.02299123014933 FPS
480 FPS = 479.6623177283193 FPS
480 FPS = 421.69182761238085 FPS
480 FPS = 479.59330487746394 FPS
480 FPS = 431.16457551847543 FPS
480 FPS = 479.0648653827728 FPS
960 FPS = 959.048623765225 FPS
960 FPS = 958.9566551591869 FPS
960 FPS = 689.4649751792609 FPS
960 FPS = 959.2326139088728 FPS
960 FPS = 958.8647041902387 FPS

60 FPS = 59.9790073474284 FPS
60 FPS = 59.97648921622724 FPS
60 FPS = 59.983684437832906 FPS
60 FPS = 59.98260504453709 FPS
120 FPS = 119.92852260053009 FPS
120 FPS = 119.91989351113456 FPS
120 FPS = 119.90982780948725 FPS
120 FPS = 119.91701742394262 FPS
120 FPS = 119.9616122840691 FPS
240 FPS = 239.93473775133162 FPS
240 FPS = 239.58408203358968 FPS
240 FPS = 236.6807886203877 FPS
240 FPS = 239.652982481367 FPS
240 FPS = 237.02299123014933 FPS
480 FPS = 479.6623177283193 FPS
480 FPS = 421.69182761238085 FPS
480 FPS = 479.59330487746394 FPS
480 FPS = 431.16457551847543 FPS
480 FPS = 479.0648653827728 FPS
960 FPS = 959.048623765225 FPS
960 FPS = 958.9566551591869 FPS
960 FPS = 689.4649751792609 FPS
960 FPS = 959.2326139088728 FPS
960 FPS = 958.8647041902387 FPS

this is with 90% windows wait, 10% busy loop

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Lyris the Kitori•8/6/23, 9:36 PM

is this deltatime or actual counting frames that happen per second

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Perksey•8/6/23, 9:36 PM

delta time

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Perksey•8/6/23, 9:36 PM

https://github.com/dotnet/Silk.NET/blob/hotfix/fidgity-spinny/src/Lab/Experiments/TimeTrials/Program.cs

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Lyris the Kitori•8/6/23, 9:36 PM

id do it the frame counting way, to get a more accurate measure

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Perksey•8/6/23, 9:37 PM

there's no frames to count, the only thing in this test program is BreakneckSleep

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Lyris the Kitori•8/6/23, 9:37 PM

i mean count iterations on the loop per second then

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Perksey•8/6/23, 9:39 PM

120 FPS = 119.98032322699076 FPS
120 FPS = 119.92564609941836 FPS
120 FPS = 119.98320235167077 FPS
120 FPS = 119.98608161453272 FPS
120 FPS = 119.93427601674281 FPS
Total 120 FPS = 118.89390621173101

120 FPS = 119.98032322699076 FPS
120 FPS = 119.92564609941836 FPS
120 FPS = 119.98320235167077 FPS
120 FPS = 119.98608161453272 FPS
120 FPS = 119.93427601674281 FPS
Total 120 FPS = 118.89390621173101

120 FPS = 119.98032322699076 FPS
120 FPS = 119.92564609941836 FPS
120 FPS = 119.98320235167077 FPS
120 FPS = 119.98608161453272 FPS
120 FPS = 119.93427601674281 FPS
Total 120 FPS = 118.89390621173101

120 FPS = 119.98032322699076 FPS
120 FPS = 119.92564609941836 FPS
120 FPS = 119.98320235167077 FPS
120 FPS = 119.98608161453272 FPS
120 FPS = 119.93427601674281 FPS
Total 120 FPS = 118.89390621173101

lol this doesn't seem right

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Perksey•8/6/23, 9:40 PM

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Lyris the Kitori•8/6/23, 9:40 PM

what

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Perksey•8/6/23, 9:40 PM

anyway I'll let you tinker with BreakneckSleep as its godfather, i'm going to be a little bit out of action for the next <unknown time period> as I am prepping the move to the US

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Perksey•8/6/23, 9:40 PM

and therefore disassembling my PC tomorrow

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Lyris the Kitori•8/6/23, 9:40 PM

i see

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khitiara•8/6/23, 9:45 PM

dang that file is some heckin magic lol

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khitiara•8/6/23, 9:46 PM

at least on the windows side but maybe i just have no comprehension of windows

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Maxine•8/6/23, 9:46 PM

i missed the meeting i was with my nephew is there anything you need my input on

MMaxine i missed the meeting i was with my nephew is there anything you need my input on

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Perksey•8/6/23, 9:50 PM

don't think so, just went back and forth on the magical pointer type design. if you wanted to listen to the vod skip to 29:10 and watch on 2x speed

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Perksey•8/6/23, 9:58 PM

yeah i think we're just going to have to change it so it's always a busy loop for the final 10%

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Maxine•8/6/23, 9:59 PM

that's fine

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Maxine•8/6/23, 9:59 PM

what kind of accuracy are you going for

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Maxine•8/6/23, 9:59 PM

because it's not infinite, at a high enough framerate you have to not use a timer entirely

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Maxine•8/6/23, 10:00 PM

also how does unity implement shit like FixedUpdate where the delta is guaranteed to always be the same

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Perksey•8/6/23, 10:01 PM

i mean that's only 50 FPS

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Perksey•8/6/23, 10:01 PM

probably not that hard an ask

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Maxine•8/6/23, 10:01 PM

if you change game speed it changes the update frequency

@Perksey I think it'd be ok to just still have a bit of a chat (although we'd be missing out on the

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