Question to all the people with FFB-Rudder, do you have software for FFB effects or how do you drive
Question to all the people with FFB-Rudder, do you have software for FFB effects or how do you drive them?
NI just run a 2nd instance of TelemFFB to talk to mine. They can produce the same haptic effects that the Rhino does (at least where the X axis is involved). (I also run a 3rd instance for my collective)
In general, there's not a whole lot of pedal specific effects that could be created. The two primary ones being dynamic forces and of course, trim. Nosewheel shimmy is another. I have added both dynamic forces and shimmy to TelemFFB for MSFS. Trim is a bit more of a problem.
DCS, unfortunately, doesn't support any of these. It's FFB is limited to X/Y joystick axis. What's worse is that it will send ALL FFB events to EVERY FFB device it is talking to. This isn't usually a problem since you will get the native effects like buffeting, but it also means that the native trim movement of the control stick will be mirrored on the pedals (a bigger problem for helicopter force trim).
The next Rhino firmware should make it possible to override some of what DCS does in that regard.
Today, I switch between two VPforce Configurator profiles (no spring for Heli's, sticky spring for FW)
In general, there's not a whole lot of pedal specific effects that could be created. The two primary ones being dynamic forces and of course, trim. Nosewheel shimmy is another. I have added both dynamic forces and shimmy to TelemFFB for MSFS. Trim is a bit more of a problem.
DCS, unfortunately, doesn't support any of these. It's FFB is limited to X/Y joystick axis. What's worse is that it will send ALL FFB events to EVERY FFB device it is talking to. This isn't usually a problem since you will get the native effects like buffeting, but it also means that the native trim movement of the control stick will be mirrored on the pedals (a bigger problem for helicopter force trim).
The next Rhino firmware should make it possible to override some of what DCS does in that regard.
Today, I switch between two VPforce Configurator profiles (no spring for Heli's, sticky spring for FW)
JOrdered what is hopefully the last bits to get my setup up and running!
MThat's unfortunate to hear about DCS regarding FFB pedals. Was hoping to modify mine in to an FFB setup one day. Having some vibration at high AoA, during taxi, etc would be pretty cool. Maybe someone smarter than I will find a way to pull the telemetry to code it (a la SimShaker) one day.
NWith TelemFFB you do get all the effects. You’ll also get the shaker style effects that are native to DCS (mostly AoA buffeting). The place where DCS fails is with actual axis feedback (like dynamic forces and trim)
NI’m hopeful with the next VPforce firmware we can override what DCS is doing and do our own thing for the pedals.
ADoesn’t the Apache have ffb settings for rudder in special settings?
NSome a/c do have rudder trimmer specific settings, but I’ve never been able to get them to work. Perhaps because the only axis options on the VPforce board are X/Y (so pedals motor inputs are connected to X). Maybe DCS is looking for Z or something else for the pedals in those instances where a module implements something.
NMaybe someone with retail pedals (if the axis is reported to windows as something other than X/Y) can chime in.
AAh, I see
MWindows reports Rot Z as my pedal axis
MX/Y on my pedals (MFG) are the toe brakes in windows
Nmy virpils do the same (for the yaw axis).. the (possible) problem is that you don't bind the original axis any longer after bolting on a motor. You bind the axis from the VPForce board, which is X axis.
WI'll try to add a FFB Z axis for science, but somehow doubt DCS has this implemented properly
NI would agree, but it does beg the question as to why some modules (like Apache and MI-24) have pedal trimmer settings.
NIf you do (and it's not double the effort), a Rot-Y could be helpful in the future, too (collective).
SWell from my experience flying the Z axis with Hydraulics, the only thing you should need is a centering force. And I some times have trouble to know if the crosswind R P are centered or not with Vr. You could have effects in the rudder but at least for a civ running on hyd not so real. On normal speeds. Near stall could be different for small aircraft.
SThe collective only need to have ffb just to simulate the proper weight of it right?
Nno.. that is taken care of by being counter-balanced and dampening/friction in VPConf. There realistically is almost zero need for actual axis based FFB for a collective, but it might be cool in the future to be able to simulate autopilot movement and/or friction locking with enough creative development in TelemFFB. Maybe hydraulic loss or other failure conditions too.. I'm not sure.. I've never flown a real helicopter 
SOk got it, me neither.
AI am sure this has been asked before but just out of curiosity, what is the average number of rhinos dispatched monthly? Just to know (disregard of the % of people withdrawing while waiting) how long can this take in a worst case scenario. Many thanks
Medit: see below
J@.mashed.potato. Assigned SN - Recent SN shipped / 24 = Wait time (in months).
JIs that the same equation? @.mashed.potato. ?
MIt's close, mine accounted for drop outs (which Walmis put conservatively at 20%) and spit out weeks
MChange the 6 to a 24 in mine and you'll get months, or just multiply the result by 4
JGotcha. It doesn’t account for current shipped SN?
JMaybe make a pinned message. Lol. Or drop it into #
faq
faqMJust threw it together right quick, adding the current shipped would definitely make it more accurate
MZ-X*0.8/24=wait time in months. Z= your SN, X=most recent shipped SN
JWould Z-X require parenthesis? Or would that not apply here?
JI mean, why not do a quick math lesson. Haha
Ji.e. (Z-X)0.8/24 ?
Bwow your hardware is almost exactly the same as mine. Just upgraded from a Virpil CM3/Alpha Prime to the Rhino and my old TMW grip.
You have excellent taste in Flight Sim Toyz, sir.
You have excellent taste in Flight Sim Toyz, sir.
JI can only slightly understand the DCS rudder FFB talk, but I assume completely outside of any support etc., adding FFB to pedals would at least still function the way Rhino does for cyclic in terms of holding in place until you do another input again yes? So less steps than removing springs from MFG crosswinds and using the damper
BI have the MFGs with damper and a very lightly loaded spring, which provides a very nice feel. I can't imagine FFB providing much added value, at least as compared to the effort and $ to FFB-itize the pedals, other than maybe feeling runway bumps and such (which are meaningless in a heli on skids). But regardless, I think the biggest problem is the lack of suitable telemetry coming from the sims (DCS and MSFS). But then again Walmis and Numbah481 have pulled several rabbits out of the hat such that the Rhino has exceeded my (high) expections even at this early stage, so maybe there's something to this. HeckIdontknow.
Maybe said better -- I got an NLR HF8 rumble seatpad at almost the same time as the Rhino, and the combination is very satisfying in both MSFS and DCS. The HF-8 is only about US$200 (Amazon) -- and there's no assembly required other than strapping it to your seat. So -- thus far I'm not missing FFB in the pedals. Oh, and helicopters (at least the ones that I've flown) have very light pedal forces, and I don't remember feeling much mechanical feedback from them at all.
Maybe said better -- I got an NLR HF8 rumble seatpad at almost the same time as the Rhino, and the combination is very satisfying in both MSFS and DCS. The HF-8 is only about US$200 (Amazon) -- and there's no assembly required other than strapping it to your seat. So -- thus far I'm not missing FFB in the pedals. Oh, and helicopters (at least the ones that I've flown) have very light pedal forces, and I don't remember feeling much mechanical feedback from them at all.
AWhere is the recent SN shipped shown?
MThe bot spams it out, scroll up in the chat
M166 is current
AFound it thanks
AActually is a bit easier then. When you message “!info email account” the bot tells you how many rhinos are left to reach your SN.
NThe (potential) benefits of FFB pedals can be summed up as
1.) Versatility
2.) Realistic feedback (where applicable)
3.) Haptic effects (for "immersion")
I can switch between sprung, hydraulic, free-wheeling programmatically
With MSFS (and I hope eventually DCS), for aircraft where it makes sense, the pedals will be floppy when cold and dark, have some resistance when there is prop thrust, and increase in spring resistance as the airspeed increases. They also react to slip angle so they are harder to push the higher the slip angle.
Ideally (though they currently dont), they would also reflect trimming action, both in FW and Rotor when applicable
And, who doesn't want their feet to vibrate when you BRRRRRRT in the A10?
1.) Versatility
2.) Realistic feedback (where applicable)
3.) Haptic effects (for "immersion")
I can switch between sprung, hydraulic, free-wheeling programmatically
With MSFS (and I hope eventually DCS), for aircraft where it makes sense, the pedals will be floppy when cold and dark, have some resistance when there is prop thrust, and increase in spring resistance as the airspeed increases. They also react to slip angle so they are harder to push the higher the slip angle.
Ideally (though they currently dont), they would also reflect trimming action, both in FW and Rotor when applicable
And, who doesn't want their feet to vibrate when you BRRRRRRT in the A10?
Ji want my whole house to vibrate when i brrrrt in the a10
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Jmy cockpit should be able to do this ^ 
Athere's also a specific case where you're on a strafing run, focusing on the target and you basically need to just guess what the rudder is doing as your plane's trim inevitable changes with acceleration
AI don't know but maybe having some feel in your feet could tell you what's going on before your aim starts to drift
Jthere's rumble packs you can put on racing pedals to receive all sorts of useful information, would be interesting to see something similar added to rudder pedals, in addition to ffb
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Jthe new simucube active ffb pedals do something similar for braking as well, to what you want for rudder drift
that information would be incredibly helpful and useful.
that information would be incredibly helpful and useful.