ahh.. OK.. the original description sounded more like the aoa effect (which is based on AoA).. But

ahh.. OK.. the original description sounded more like the aoa effect (which is based on AoA).. But that would be the g-loading effect...

NNumber481 ahh.. OK.. the original description sounded more like the aoa effect (which is b...

JIGGAwest•8/20/23, 2:54 PM

geforce_effect_enable is that just 1 for on and 0 for off? Or is there a global intensity ?

JJIGGAwest geforce_effect_enable is that just 1 for on and 0 for off? Or is there a global...

Number481OP•8/20/23, 2:59 PM

responded in #VPforce-TelemFFB

AAndyHill apparently in some situations and specific planes you might be pulling with all ...

mechsicko•8/20/23, 4:17 PM

Most cool passively with their gigantic heatsink motor casings the size of a watermelon. Completely impractical and unnecessary for a flight stick. Even if you want huge forces for some god forsaken reason just use bigger motors/belt ratio.

Simracing wheels need to do extremely high freq effects to simulate the vibrate-y feel of rubber meeting road and sharp effects like slamming curbs or landing from jumps etc with enough overhead to also generate the main forces without clipping so need to be very powerful to be able to do this convincingly, particularly with DD that lacks any mechanical advantage like gearing/belts. Aircraft have much lower freq forces so don't need the brute force simracing req and if you need high forces belt reduction does this with a lot less wasted space and money.

AndyHill•8/20/23, 5:45 PM

well iirc the f-18 stick was supposed to have something like 15kg max pull force so we're still some ways off even if we forget the sometimes completely freezing controls of some warbirds

AndyHill•8/20/23, 5:46 PM

and yeah it's a good point that the huge torque is for the effects in the steering wheels, I hadn't thought of that

AndyHill•8/20/23, 5:47 PM

the thing with ffb flight controllers is that they need to keep going flat out for extended periods of time

AndyHill•8/20/23, 5:48 PM

I guess it might help some that a steering wheel can make do with one motor, whereas a flight controller typically needs double the amount

Jon (Bounty_V)•8/20/23, 5:49 PM

direct drive ftw

Jon (Bounty_V)•8/20/23, 5:49 PM

Maybe gen 2 rhino will use a more powerful set of motors

AndyHill•8/20/23, 5:49 PM

dibs on the gen 2 rhino

AndyHill•8/20/23, 5:49 PM

or elephant or whatever

Jon (Bounty_V)•8/20/23, 5:50 PM

definitely needs to be named after another protected animal

Jon (Bounty_V)•8/20/23, 5:50 PM

Could call it the Meg

AndyHill•8/20/23, 5:50 PM

and heavily poached one

AndyHill•8/20/23, 5:51 PM

having a swat team ambush you at the post office is an integral part of the experience

Jon (Bounty_V)•8/20/23, 5:52 PM

Calling it the Meg could be references to multiple things

It would be massive in size due to motor size, if he really wanted for a silly joke edition he could have a shark mouth on the leather cover making it look like the base is trying to eat the stick, and with the increased ffb strength, if ur not careful it could 'bite' you

Jon (Bounty_V)•8/20/23, 5:55 PM

Lastly, it could be in Russian aircraft blue instead of black, further making sense to call it something aquatic

AndyHill•8/20/23, 5:57 PM

hand painted custom paint jobs would be just the trick for production times

Jon (Bounty_V)•8/20/23, 5:58 PM

He could also have it be ~~twice the cost of the Rhino~~

DiscoTits•8/20/23, 7:07 PM

Hi! Maybe y’all can help me out does it come prebuilt? Does it have to come prebuilt?

AndyHill•8/20/23, 7:14 PM

you can buy a prebuilt rhino or a motor kit

AndyHill•8/20/23, 7:14 PM

motor + electronics -kit, I think

DiscoTits•8/20/23, 7:14 PM

Is there any advantage to one over the other

DiscoTits•8/20/23, 7:14 PM

Sorry im trying to get it as a gift I dont know much

AndyHill•8/20/23, 7:15 PM

you don't have to build one if you don't want to or if you are like me you don't want anything built by me

AndyHill•8/20/23, 7:15 PM

with the kit you have more options like more powerful motors and of course the structure is completely up to you

AndyHill•8/20/23, 7:16 PM

but I suppose that's for a select few people who can design and build an ffb controller base by themselves

DiscoTits•8/20/23, 7:16 PM

And the kit Is the waitlist just as long 12 months?

AndyHill•8/20/23, 7:16 PM

AndyHill•8/20/23, 7:17 PM

I think you can get kits very fast

AndyHill•8/20/23, 7:17 PM

but do note that they are very barebones and you will have to build and probably design your own system almost from scratch so it could take a long time

AndyHill•8/20/23, 7:18 PM

I don't know if there are complete designs available somewhere since I don't have the skills or facilities to build one for myself, but afaik you get the electronics, motors and software, but everything else is up to you

AndyHill•8/20/23, 7:19 PM

if you intend to go that way you should find someone here who has built his own stuff, there are quite a few around

DiscoTits•8/20/23, 7:23 PM

Thanks!

AAndyHill I don't know if there are complete designs available somewhere since I don't hav...

MashedPotato•8/20/23, 7:35 PM

The design the Rhino itself is based off of is open source. There's a few users on here working on build lists and instructions for similiar designs

AndyHill•8/20/23, 7:56 PM

Ok thanks that's kind of how I thought it was, but I haven't been following the build stuff that carefully and didn't want to give potentially too rosy a picture of the situation for someone looking to buy a kit or a rhino

MashedPotato•8/20/23, 7:57 PM

It's definitely not a developed market at the moment, but if you're crafty, there is hope to dodge the queue.

DiscoTits•8/21/23, 1:07 AM

Anyone know the game elite dangerous

DDiscoTits Anyone know the game elite dangerous

Jehly•8/21/23, 2:19 AM

Long time ago, yes.

JJehly Long time ago, yes.

DiscoTits•8/21/23, 3:16 AM

Im wondering if you think the joystick thing would be good for that game

TheZoq2•8/21/23, 6:30 AM

It is a great joystick and being ffb makes it easy to configure it how you like it. But I assume elite doesn't benefit much if anything from force feedback from the game

Jon (Bounty_V)•8/21/23, 7:08 AM

Imagine having 2 Rhinos for HOSAS

TheZoq2•8/21/23, 7:21 AM

Popo•8/21/23, 7:21 AM

perfect for rowing simulator

Jon (Bounty_V)•8/21/23, 7:50 AM

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-podracing-the-phantom-menace-zoom-background-virtual-background-gif-16836692

Tenor

DDiscoTits Im wondering if you think the joystick thing would be good for that game

LeLv30_Superbus•8/21/23, 11:55 AM

If Frontier provided an API for accessing in-game events like cargo scoop use, firing, hits and whatnot then maybe? I know there are third party utilities which use some kind of telemetry from Elite and people control their cockpit led lights with it. Also the spaceships fly in the atmosphere of the planets too nowadays so yeah, maybe FFB stick could be nice. But we need devs to open up that data first.

DiscoTits•8/21/23, 12:32 PM

Thanks!

AndyHill•8/21/23, 1:00 PM

Elite can be problematic since you will be pulling hard on the stick for extended periods of time, since spaceships pretty much never run out of energy

AndyHill•8/21/23, 1:01 PM

this will put a lot of stress on the motors, but perhaps light enough centering force might alleviate that

LLeLv30_Superbus If Frontier provided an API for accessing in-game events like cargo scoop use, f...

Snooper•8/21/23, 1:03 PM

https://github.com/bobhelander/EDForceFeedback

GitHub

GitHub - bobhelander/EDForceFeedback: Elite Dangerous Force Feedback

Elite Dangerous Force Feedback. Contribute to bobhelander/EDForceFeedback development by creating an account on GitHub.

ahh.. OK.. the original description sounded more like the aoa effect (which is based on AoA).. But

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