Have you considered running it without the extension? I have two 100mm ones but they're in the close

Have you considered running it without the extension? I have two 100mm ones but they're in the closet. Almost purely by accident, the Rhino went on my setup perfectly without having to mess with anything...

Hextopia•9/27/23, 3:36 PM

I'd actually bought a small transducer just for the rhino itself, but that would be an easier solution

Bblave549 Have you considered running it without the extension? I have two 100mm ones but ...

Hextopia•9/27/23, 3:36 PM

I've flown without them, and the extra throw is really useful for aircraft sensitive to control inputs

Hextopia•9/27/23, 3:37 PM

I'd honestly really like an even longer extension, but I'd need more powerful motors and a riser for the seat to go much higher

Hextopia•9/27/23, 3:38 PM

Looking at the setup, I think it may be possible to mount this thing to the underside of the frame below the front of the seat

blave549OP•9/27/23, 3:39 PM

yeahbut I think the Rhino has a lot more throw than regular joystick bases. I actually have mine limited via the Rhino config tool's Endstops setting (to 40%).

Hextopia•9/27/23, 3:42 PM

It's definitely got a lot of throw

Hextopia•9/27/23, 3:43 PM

(And one complaint I have is the absolute edges of that throw aren't a perfect square/rectangle, they've got some deadspots around the perimeter that really need to be limited in the software)

Hextopia•9/27/23, 3:44 PM

But I definitely want something more similar to my experience flying a few aircraft/gliders where you've got a lot of range of motion to enable fine movements of control surfaces with gross movements of the stick. Really makes formation flying, etc. much easier to do when you can make minor corrections that are actually minor

Hextopia•9/27/23, 3:45 PM

Like, my current setup has a throw that's getting close to a UH-60's cyclic range of motion

Hextopia•9/27/23, 3:45 PM

But it still needs another shorter extension to really get there

HHextopia (And one complaint I have is the absolute edges of that throw aren't a perfect s...

blave549OP•9/27/23, 3:50 PM

You've flown a UH-60?

Hextopia•9/27/23, 3:51 PM

Never flown one, but I've spent a lot of time in the cockpit/flying on them/working the flight controls

Hextopia•9/27/23, 3:52 PM

In a previous life I did maintenance on them, now I just do flight test on a variety of different aircraft

HHextopia Though I guess it looks like the spacing on those fasteners means you can put it...

Hextopia•9/27/23, 4:03 PM

This is sort of what I was thinking might be feasible. Blue being a purpose machined plate mounted to the underside of that frame rail under the seat

Hextopia•9/27/23, 4:04 PM

Might need to make it an L bracket though, since two bolts might not be sufficient to hold the plate in place without it bending

HHextopia Might need to make it an L bracket though, since two bolts might not be sufficie...

Fierce_Fire•9/27/23, 4:24 PM

that entirely depends on the thickness of the plate. I assume 4 to 6mm to be plenty strong steel, alu might need a little more, havent calculated that correctness though

HHextopia This is sort of what I was thinking might be feasible. Blue being a purpose mac...

blave549OP•9/27/23, 5:29 PM

I was concerned about the plate thickness, but Walmis said it was plenty and that turns out to be true.

I didn't realize this until I took the first pic above that the profile that the Rhino plate attaches to is sagging (it's not the plate). I just tried to tighten everything up but it's still doing it. I'm contemplating putting something under it that sits on the floor to support it (not that it matters, other than visually and to my OCD's insistence on orthogonality).

But I think you need a short piece of profile that mounts to the front of the bottom-most profile in the picture (you marked the latter red) and then the Rhino plate would attach to that. IOW, what I did but centered on the frame rather than sidestick-style. Maybe that's what you are intending but if not, I would not mount the plate directly to the top of the profile. It might be fine, but I do think the plate needs some support for at least part of its front-to-back length, as I have done. Either that, or put something under it for support that goes to the floor.

Fer•9/28/23, 1:22 AM

Hello I checked my rhino and the y axis band is a bit looser than the x axis, is that normal ?

Spatz•9/28/23, 9:10 AM

Guys do many of you use the Throw Limiter Adapter? If so, at what angle and do we really need it?

Jon (Bounty_V)•9/28/23, 9:29 AM

its more for how you use it in your space, for some cockpit use you need it so it isnt banging into things

Jon (Bounty_V)•9/28/23, 9:30 AM

especially if on an extension

Jon (Bounty_V)•9/28/23, 9:32 AM

I personally got 50% and 25% limiters for mine, so limits half the throw, or only 25% of the throw. I kept mine consistent for both axis. The 50% I plan to use with a 200mm extension, the 25% is future proofing should I ever use it differently such as with a 100mm extension

You can of course use the software limiter, but the physical one protects you, your hardware, and the rhino when used in addition to software limiter

Comrade_Weng•9/28/23, 10:26 AM

@walmis I plan on designing and building my own ffb rudder pedals with toe brakes in (hopefully) the not too distant future. What do you suggest in order to get the toe brakes as two seperate axes? I was planning on using rotary incremental encoders. Would the shift register be able to be used in this manner?

SSpatz Guys do many of you use the Throw Limiter Adapter? If so, at what angle and do w...

MichalK•9/28/23, 2:30 PM

15 degrees fore and aft is ok to not collide with monstertech desk mount without any extension. It's also the limit for a Virpil base. The stock 22 degrees of the Rhino is too much for me.

5earchkaine•9/28/23, 2:30 PM

hi, can anybody help me with the trim setup in fs2020? the stick doesn't move when i trim on the assigend buttons, only ingame. trim buttons are also assigned in spad.next. here are my settings, thanks

5earchkaine•9/28/23, 3:08 PM

also enabled in the config.ini

smitty•9/28/23, 3:14 PM

i havent set it up myself yet, but i think you have to click 'override trim' and then remove any ingame trim settings you have for the 4-way beep trim buttons. But your button [2] should release the springs and relatch when you let go as your settings are now.

55earchkaine also enabled in the config.ini

Number481•9/28/23, 3:17 PM

the force trim in TelemFFB only applies to the "mag brake" release/new-center aspect of force trim. It does not support the trim-hat. As smitty said, if you want the stick to move with the trim-hat, you'll need to enable override trim.

FFer Hello I checked my rhino and the y axis band is a bit looser than the x axis, is...

walmis•9/28/23, 3:49 PM

Hi, I've added a manual entry about re-tightening the belts:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1YL5DLkiTxlaNx_zKHEYSs25PjmGtQ6_WZDk58_SGt8Y/edit#heading=h.z337ya
The belts eventually need tightening, that's normal.

Google Docs

VPforce Manual

VPforce RHINO FFB User Manual Version 0.1 (WIP) 03/08/2023 Table of Contents 1. Welcome 1 2. Getting Started 3 2.1. Technical Specifications 4 2.2. Physical Setup 5 2.2.1. The VKB Adapter 6 2.2.2. The WinWing Adapter 6 2.2.3 The RHINO Throw Limiter Adapters 7 2.3. Initial Connection and Up...

NNumber481 the force trim in TelemFFB only applies to the "mag brake" release/new-center as...

5earchkaine•9/28/23, 3:58 PM

i think i also have tried it with "override trim", but not yet without removed trim settings ingame, will test tomorrow, thanks

CComrade_Weng @walmis I plan on designing and building my own ffb rudder pedals with toe brake...

Fierce_Fire•9/28/23, 4:53 PM

There are others here that have made those, you probably want to ask them. (Ppl that have added toe brakes to the vkb mk 4 rudder might be able to help as well)

CComrade_Weng @walmis I plan on designing and building my own ffb rudder pedals with toe brake...

walmis•9/28/23, 5:04 PM

The easiest way - The pot inputs can be used for toe brakes with a pot or an analog signal.
Hard way - wiring an arduino spi slave to send digitized data via the 5 pin grip connector.

Fer•9/28/23, 6:52 PM

Thanks @walmis

Sharkku•9/28/23, 7:23 PM

I tried running Telem FFB via a bat-file, or via the MSFS exe.xml, but I just get an error. When I run it by clicking it, it works. What am I doing wrong?

SSharkku I tried running Telem FFB via a bat-file, or via the MSFS exe.xml, but I just ge...

Number481•9/28/23, 7:52 PM

the app is fairly sensitive to pathing. If you want to start it from a batch script, you need to "cd" into its directory.. for example.. my batch file that launches 3 instances...

Sharkku•9/28/23, 8:25 PM

@Number481 Ah, thanks for replying! I tried cd to relevant directory, still didn't work. I will look into it tomorrow!

Wwalmis Hi, I've added a manual entry about re-tightening the belts: https://docs.google...

Hextopia•9/28/23, 10:13 PM

Why does the belt need to be moved off prior to moving the motor?

HHextopia Why does the belt need to be moved off prior to moving the motor?

walmis•9/29/23, 12:10 PM

To relieve the existing tension, since you wouldn't be able to move the motor enough to tighten the belt properly.

Mr. S•9/29/23, 3:58 PM

Got mine yesterday and I am currently remapping all the buttons. Any idea if there's any way to use VIRPIL mapping software to keep mode switched and advanced button programming?

Number481•9/29/23, 5:32 PM

virpil software talks to the CM base, not the grip.. so.... no base=no software

NNumber481 virpil software talks to the CM base, not the grip.. so.... no base=no software

Mr. S•9/29/23, 5:53 PM

Well it actually talks to the controller card... one of which I installed in my MSFFB2 and could program the thing so I'm pretty sure the same could be done here, with the caveat of having x2 USB cables coming out of the system (but the same happens with the VKB adapter if I'm not mistaken?)

OR

We get VIRPIL-ish functionality embedded in the sw at some point.

MMr. S Well it actually talks to the controller card... one of which I installed in my ...

blave549OP•9/29/23, 11:21 PM

I think you would need to use one of the various joystick utilities. I wish I knew what the differences are between Axes and Ohs, Spad.nExt, Joystick Gremlin, and FSUIPC (which I used a lot with FSX but haven't touched it since). (I'm sure there are others.) I don't care so much about combining multiple devices into a single virtual one, but I would like to have advanced button/hat programmability. I just got a VKB throttle setup, and although the software seems to be very powerful it's almost as hard to understand as Virpil's stuff

, and so it would be nice to have one utility that I can pipe all of my controller toys through and yet get the advanced button/axis functionality.

Number481•9/29/23, 11:38 PM

Personally I can recommend spad.next. I used it extensively when I was big into Msfs and still use it for a lot of little things in DCS. To me it is far more intuitive than the Virpil software is.

Jehly•9/30/23, 12:23 AM

Trying out the pedals/stick on MSFS2020 for first time, I feel like I'm missing something. Stick wont stay centered, almost zero vibrations felt, FFB enabled.

Number481•9/30/23, 12:45 AM

what aircraft are you flying? You have TelemFFB setup and connecting to MSFS (showing telemetry)?

Bblave549 I think you would need to use one of the various joystick utilities. I wish I kn...

Mr. S•9/30/23, 9:40 AM

yeah I know joystick gremlin like, a lot, I was just hoping in a native solution...

Mr. S•9/30/23, 9:41 AM

Another question, I have pulled the TelemFFB (the python version), installed the requirements and all but when I try to launch it I get
..\python main.py
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "..\Desktop\Joystick\VPforce-TelemFFB\main.py", line 81, in <module>
from PyQt5 import QtWidgets
ImportError: cannot import name 'QtWidgets' from 'PyQt5' (unknown location)

Mr. S•9/30/23, 9:41 AM

any idea?

Mr. S•9/30/23, 9:44 AM

I'm trying to install the latest version I can find, from python (3.11.5 ?)

Mr. S•9/30/23, 9:49 AM

nevermind, Updating python, doing a git reset and pull seems to have fixed the issue.

Have you considered running it without the extension? I have two 100mm ones but they're in the close

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