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Tsubajashi (ツバジャシ)
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Tsubajashi (ツバジャシ)
OP
•
11/29/23, 10:12 AM
not sure what to do tbh
.
V
Virtuality
i've been thinking about moving back to endeavourOS just so i have a bit more fr...
R
RodoMa92
•
11/29/23, 10:31 AM
Yeah
, same reason for sticking with Arch on my desktop
.
R
RodoMa92
•
11/29/23, 10:31 AM
It
's fine for fixed or standard hardware
, but if you have a weird configuration the immutability is far more a pain in the butt than a feature if you ask me
.
R
RodoMa92
•
11/29/23, 10:32 AM
Especially around virtualization
.
R
RodoMa92
•
11/29/23, 10:32 AM
I know that there are helper script for that
, but they will never replace the arch wiki
/s
R
RodoMa92
•
11/29/23, 10:33 AM
This was the main issue I had when I tried Debian distro in the past
.
R
RodoMa92
•
11/29/23, 10:35 AM
Especially for changing compile time flags in software
.
R
RodoMa92
Especially for changing compile time flags in software.
T
Tsubajashi (ツバジャシ)
OP
•
11/29/23, 10:39 AM
that heavily depends on
if
you need that software directly on the host image
, and not in a distrobox
, to be fair
.
T
Tsubajashi (ツバジャシ)
that heavily depends on *if* you need that software directly on the host image, ...
R
RodoMa92
•
11/29/23, 10:39 AM
Yeah
, but at the time distrobox didn
't exists
.
R
RodoMa92
•
11/29/23, 10:40 AM
Nor a lot of other virtualization helpers
.
R
RodoMa92
•
11/29/23, 10:40 AM
Therefore you either recompile or good luck
.
T
Tsubajashi (ツバジャシ)
OP
•
11/29/23, 10:40 AM
you sure man
?
virt
-manager exists for quite some time
, aswell as docker and Podman
.
T
Tsubajashi (ツバジャシ)
you sure man? virt-manager exists for quite some time, aswell as docker and Podm...
R
RodoMa92
•
11/29/23, 10:40 AM
Yeah
, I
'm sure
.
R
RodoMa92
•
11/29/23, 10:41 AM
Stuff changed over the years
.
R
RodoMa92
•
11/29/23, 10:42 AM
Besides
, I
'm still not a fan of virt layers over virt layer anyway
.
R
RodoMa92
Yeah, I'm sure.
R
RodoMa92
•
11/29/23, 10:43 AM
It might have existed already in 2010
, but good luck finding guides
/help on them
.
R
RodoMa92
•
11/29/23, 10:43 AM
And even the tooling itself wasn
't quite there
.
R
RodoMa92
•
11/29/23, 10:43 AM
Just far easier to recompile and enabling flags if you ask me
.
T
Tsubajashi (ツバジャシ)
OP
•
11/29/23, 10:45 AM
honestly
, if you can recompile stuff and enable flags across a variety of packages
, you dont really need any particular guide for virtualisation
.
T
Tsubajashi (ツバジャシ)
honestly, if you can recompile stuff and enable flags across a variety of packag...
R
RodoMa92
•
11/29/23, 10:45 AM
Fair
, but I
'm not running a full stack VM for a single change
.
T
Tsubajashi (ツバジャシ)
OP
•
11/29/23, 10:46 AM
podman
/docket isnt a full stack vm
.
R
RodoMa92
•
11/29/23, 10:46 AM
At that point I just use a different distro
.
T
Tsubajashi (ツバジャシ)
OP
•
11/29/23, 10:46 AM
it shares the kernel of the host
.
T
Tsubajashi (ツバジャシ)
OP
•
11/29/23, 10:46 AM
its like you are chrooting into another install
T
Tsubajashi (ツバジャシ)
OP
•
11/29/23, 10:46 AM
would you call that virtualisation too
?
R
RodoMa92
•
11/29/23, 10:47 AM
Docker has been created in 2013
R
RodoMa92
•
11/29/23, 10:47 AM
So after I had experiences with Debian
.
T
Tsubajashi (ツバジャシ)
OP
•
11/29/23, 10:47 AM
and thats why i compare it to chroot
.
R
RodoMa92
•
11/29/23, 10:47 AM
So that was out of the picture anyway
.
T
Tsubajashi (ツバジャシ)
OP
•
11/29/23, 10:47 AM
because that definitely existed way before docker
T
Tsubajashi (ツバジャシ)
and thats why i compare it to chroot.
R
RodoMa92
•
11/29/23, 10:50 AM
TBH
, I never tried that at the time
, blame that at guides
/help
/knowledge found around at the time
.
T
Tsubajashi (ツバジャシ)
OP
•
11/29/23, 10:51 AM
archwiki mentioned it way back to verify if your installation was sucessful
.
T
Tsubajashi (ツバジャシ)
OP
•
11/29/23, 10:51 AM
LFS aswell
T
Tsubajashi (ツバジャシ)
OP
•
11/29/23, 10:51 AM
Gentoo aswell
T
Tsubajashi (ツバジャシ)
archwiki mentioned it way back to verify if your installation was sucessful.
R
RodoMa92
•
11/29/23, 10:51 AM
I used Arch from 2016
(
?
) circa
.
T
Tsubajashi (ツバジャシ)
OP
•
11/29/23, 10:52 AM
with way back
, i seriously mean when arch was introduced
.
T
Tsubajashi (ツバジャシ)
Gentoo aswell
R
RodoMa92
•
11/29/23, 10:52 AM
Yeah
, just need to call Intel to stop rereleasing quad cores for that
/s
T
Tsubajashi (ツバジャシ)
with way back, i seriously mean when arch was introduced.
R
RodoMa92
•
11/29/23, 10:52 AM
Yeah
, I found arch far later to be honest
.
R
RodoMa92
•
11/29/23, 10:53 AM
But it
's the first distro that I had not dropped ever XD
T
Tsubajashi (ツバジャシ)
OP
•
11/29/23, 10:53 AM
meh
, arch is nice for quite a few things
, but i would never let it run on any super critical in my workflow
T
Tsubajashi (ツバジャシ)
meh, arch is nice for quite a few things, but i would never let it run on any su...
R
RodoMa92
•
11/29/23, 10:54 AM
Fair
, assuming you do not need the customization part of it
.
T
Tsubajashi (ツバジャシ)
OP
•
11/29/23, 10:54 AM
at max as a docker container with a snapshot of the repo at the time of building
R
RodoMa92
•
11/29/23, 10:54 AM
If you only use VMS
, you really don
't arch XD
T
Tsubajashi (ツバジャシ)
OP
•
11/29/23, 10:54 AM
you can customize any distro
, any way you want
T
Tsubajashi (ツバジャシ)
you can customize any distro, any way you want
R
RodoMa92
•
11/29/23, 10:54 AM
Sure
.
T
Tsubajashi (ツバジャシ)
OP
•
11/29/23, 10:54 AM
thats not arch exclusive at all
.
R
RodoMa92
•
11/29/23, 10:54 AM
It
's the amount of effort required that is the problem for me
.
T
Tsubajashi (ツバジャシ)
OP
•
11/29/23, 10:55 AM
thats
.
.
. the same
, excluding immutable distros to a certain extend
R
RodoMa92
•
11/29/23, 10:55 AM
And with Debian in particular the amount of times that something broke when upgraded to another distro
:P
T
Tsubajashi (ツバジャシ)
OP
•
11/29/23, 10:55 AM
the only pro and con of arch is the AUR
.
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