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Tsubajashi (ツバジャシ)
and thats why i compare it to chroot.
and thats why i compare it to chroot
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R
RodoMa92
•
11/29/23, 10:47 AM
So that was out of the picture anyway
.
T
Tsubajashi (ツバジャシ)
OP
•
11/29/23, 10:47 AM
because that definitely existed way before docker
T
Tsubajashi (ツバジャシ)
and thats why i compare it to chroot.
R
RodoMa92
•
11/29/23, 10:50 AM
TBH
, I never tried that at the time
, blame that at guides
/help
/knowledge found around at the time
.
T
Tsubajashi (ツバジャシ)
OP
•
11/29/23, 10:51 AM
archwiki mentioned it way back to verify if your installation was sucessful
.
T
Tsubajashi (ツバジャシ)
OP
•
11/29/23, 10:51 AM
LFS aswell
T
Tsubajashi (ツバジャシ)
OP
•
11/29/23, 10:51 AM
Gentoo aswell
T
Tsubajashi (ツバジャシ)
archwiki mentioned it way back to verify if your installation was sucessful.
R
RodoMa92
•
11/29/23, 10:51 AM
I used Arch from 2016
(
?
) circa
.
T
Tsubajashi (ツバジャシ)
OP
•
11/29/23, 10:52 AM
with way back
, i seriously mean when arch was introduced
.
T
Tsubajashi (ツバジャシ)
Gentoo aswell
R
RodoMa92
•
11/29/23, 10:52 AM
Yeah
, just need to call Intel to stop rereleasing quad cores for that
/s
T
Tsubajashi (ツバジャシ)
with way back, i seriously mean when arch was introduced.
R
RodoMa92
•
11/29/23, 10:52 AM
Yeah
, I found arch far later to be honest
.
R
RodoMa92
•
11/29/23, 10:53 AM
But it
's the first distro that I had not dropped ever XD
T
Tsubajashi (ツバジャシ)
OP
•
11/29/23, 10:53 AM
meh
, arch is nice for quite a few things
, but i would never let it run on any super critical in my workflow
T
Tsubajashi (ツバジャシ)
meh, arch is nice for quite a few things, but i would never let it run on any su...
R
RodoMa92
•
11/29/23, 10:54 AM
Fair
, assuming you do not need the customization part of it
.
T
Tsubajashi (ツバジャシ)
OP
•
11/29/23, 10:54 AM
at max as a docker container with a snapshot of the repo at the time of building
R
RodoMa92
•
11/29/23, 10:54 AM
If you only use VMS
, you really don
't arch XD
T
Tsubajashi (ツバジャシ)
OP
•
11/29/23, 10:54 AM
you can customize any distro
, any way you want
T
Tsubajashi (ツバジャシ)
you can customize any distro, any way you want
R
RodoMa92
•
11/29/23, 10:54 AM
Sure
.
T
Tsubajashi (ツバジャシ)
OP
•
11/29/23, 10:54 AM
thats not arch exclusive at all
.
R
RodoMa92
•
11/29/23, 10:54 AM
It
's the amount of effort required that is the problem for me
.
T
Tsubajashi (ツバジャシ)
OP
•
11/29/23, 10:55 AM
thats
.
.
. the same
, excluding immutable distros to a certain extend
R
RodoMa92
•
11/29/23, 10:55 AM
And with Debian in particular the amount of times that something broke when upgraded to another distro
:P
T
Tsubajashi (ツバジャシ)
OP
•
11/29/23, 10:55 AM
the only pro and con of arch is the AUR
.
T
Tsubajashi (ツバジャシ)
thats... the same, excluding immutable distros to a certain extend
R
RodoMa92
•
11/29/23, 10:55 AM
Which is my main point above
.
T
Tsubajashi (ツバジャシ)
the only pro and con of arch is the AUR.
R
RodoMa92
•
11/29/23, 10:56 AM
Good point
, you made me remember something
.
R
RodoMa92
•
11/29/23, 10:56 AM
Not having a way to track modification in compiled stuff
.
R
RodoMa92
•
11/29/23, 10:56 AM
Pacman plus AUR makes it painless for me
.
T
Tsubajashi (ツバジャシ)
OP
•
11/29/23, 10:56 AM
ehm
.
.
. and insecure aswell
.
T
Tsubajashi (ツバジャシ)
ehm... and insecure aswell.
R
RodoMa92
•
11/29/23, 10:57 AM
There is always downsides to everything in life
.
T
Tsubajashi (ツバジャシ)
OP
•
11/29/23, 10:57 AM
not necessarily
.
T
Tsubajashi (ツバジャシ)
not necessarily.
R
RodoMa92
•
11/29/23, 10:58 AM
Immutability is fine
, up to an extent
. Which has a downside as well
.
T
Tsubajashi (ツバジャシ)
OP
•
11/29/23, 11:00 AM
.
.
. which is
?
T
Tsubajashi (ツバジャシ)
OP
•
11/29/23, 11:00 AM
especially nowadays that you can properly add layers to a base image
, i really dont see a true downside
.
T
Tsubajashi (ツバジャシ)
same here...
D
dw | uzay
•
11/29/23, 11:08 AM
Managed to get to grub and boot into the rollback snapshot
. Didn
't seem to load at first but then worked
. Pinned it
, but haven
't rebooted yet
T
Tsubajashi (ツバジャシ)
... which is?
R
RodoMa92
•
11/29/23, 11:14 AM
If you need to change something on a base package
, for example
.
R
RodoMa92
•
11/29/23, 11:14 AM
Or god forbid the kernel itself
.
R
RodoMa92
•
11/29/23, 11:15 AM
Ostree makes it far more doable
.
T
Tsubajashi (ツバジャシ)
OP
•
11/29/23, 11:15 AM
you replace it
. thats not hard with rpm
-ostree
R
RodoMa92
•
11/29/23, 11:15 AM
To be really honest
.
T
Tsubajashi (ツバジャシ)
you replace it. thats not hard with rpm-ostree
R
RodoMa92
•
11/29/23, 11:15 AM
You can
't replace all packages
.
R
RodoMa92
•
11/29/23, 11:15 AM
As far as I have seen
.
T
Tsubajashi (ツバジャシ)
OP
•
11/29/23, 11:15 AM
you could technically just make your own image at this point
.
T
Tsubajashi (ツバジャシ)
you could technically just make your own image at this point.
R
RodoMa92
•
11/29/23, 11:15 AM
And that
's the point
.
R
RodoMa92
•
11/29/23, 11:16 AM
It
's more work than a makepkg and an install
.
T
Tsubajashi (ツバジャシ)
OP
•
11/29/23, 11:16 AM
thats not too hard either with the startingpoint repo here
R
RodoMa92
•
11/29/23, 11:16 AM
Doable
? Sure
.
T
Tsubajashi (ツバジャシ)
OP
•
11/29/23, 11:16 AM
if you try to replace everything in arch
, it also takes more than a simple makepkg
R
RodoMa92
•
11/29/23, 11:16 AM
I
'll stick with arch for now
.
T
Tsubajashi (ツバジャシ)
OP
•
11/29/23, 11:17 AM
if i want to build something very specific for a pc build here
, i would just run nixOS at that point
T
Tsubajashi (ツバジャシ)
if i want to build something very specific for a pc build here, i would just run...
R
RodoMa92
•
11/29/23, 11:17 AM
Oh
, god
, no
.
R
RodoMa92
•
11/29/23, 11:18 AM
I wanted to take a look
.
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