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Tsubajashi (ツバジャシ)
ehm... and insecure aswell.
ehm
.
.
. and insecure aswell
.
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T
Tsubajashi (ツバジャシ)
ehm... and insecure aswell.
R
RodoMa92
•
11/29/23, 10:57 AM
There is always downsides to everything in life
.
T
Tsubajashi (ツバジャシ)
OP
•
11/29/23, 10:57 AM
not necessarily
.
T
Tsubajashi (ツバジャシ)
not necessarily.
R
RodoMa92
•
11/29/23, 10:58 AM
Immutability is fine
, up to an extent
. Which has a downside as well
.
T
Tsubajashi (ツバジャシ)
OP
•
11/29/23, 11:00 AM
.
.
. which is
?
T
Tsubajashi (ツバジャシ)
OP
•
11/29/23, 11:00 AM
especially nowadays that you can properly add layers to a base image
, i really dont see a true downside
.
T
Tsubajashi (ツバジャシ)
same here...
D
dw | uzay
•
11/29/23, 11:08 AM
Managed to get to grub and boot into the rollback snapshot
. Didn
't seem to load at first but then worked
. Pinned it
, but haven
't rebooted yet
T
Tsubajashi (ツバジャシ)
... which is?
R
RodoMa92
•
11/29/23, 11:14 AM
If you need to change something on a base package
, for example
.
R
RodoMa92
•
11/29/23, 11:14 AM
Or god forbid the kernel itself
.
R
RodoMa92
•
11/29/23, 11:15 AM
Ostree makes it far more doable
.
T
Tsubajashi (ツバジャシ)
OP
•
11/29/23, 11:15 AM
you replace it
. thats not hard with rpm
-ostree
R
RodoMa92
•
11/29/23, 11:15 AM
To be really honest
.
T
Tsubajashi (ツバジャシ)
you replace it. thats not hard with rpm-ostree
R
RodoMa92
•
11/29/23, 11:15 AM
You can
't replace all packages
.
R
RodoMa92
•
11/29/23, 11:15 AM
As far as I have seen
.
T
Tsubajashi (ツバジャシ)
OP
•
11/29/23, 11:15 AM
you could technically just make your own image at this point
.
T
Tsubajashi (ツバジャシ)
you could technically just make your own image at this point.
R
RodoMa92
•
11/29/23, 11:15 AM
And that
's the point
.
R
RodoMa92
•
11/29/23, 11:16 AM
It
's more work than a makepkg and an install
.
T
Tsubajashi (ツバジャシ)
OP
•
11/29/23, 11:16 AM
thats not too hard either with the startingpoint repo here
R
RodoMa92
•
11/29/23, 11:16 AM
Doable
? Sure
.
T
Tsubajashi (ツバジャシ)
OP
•
11/29/23, 11:16 AM
if you try to replace everything in arch
, it also takes more than a simple makepkg
R
RodoMa92
•
11/29/23, 11:16 AM
I
'll stick with arch for now
.
T
Tsubajashi (ツバジャシ)
OP
•
11/29/23, 11:17 AM
if i want to build something very specific for a pc build here
, i would just run nixOS at that point
T
Tsubajashi (ツバジャシ)
if i want to build something very specific for a pc build here, i would just run...
R
RodoMa92
•
11/29/23, 11:17 AM
Oh
, god
, no
.
R
RodoMa92
•
11/29/23, 11:18 AM
I wanted to take a look
.
R
RodoMa92
•
11/29/23, 11:18 AM
But that
's too much even for me XD
T
Tsubajashi (ツバジャシ)
OP
•
11/29/23, 11:18 AM
thats relatively simple if you understand the basics of a linux system
.
R
RodoMa92
•
11/29/23, 11:18 AM
It
's extremely interesting as a concept
.
T
Tsubajashi (ツバジャシ)
thats relatively simple if you understand the basics of a linux system.
R
RodoMa92
•
11/29/23, 11:18 AM
Not for the amount of new stuff to learn required
.
T
Tsubajashi (ツバジャシ)
OP
•
11/29/23, 11:19 AM
the
"amount of new stuff
" is just the syntax of the nix language
R
RodoMa92
•
11/29/23, 11:19 AM
Besides
, my main sticking point was the potential amount of work to make my device behave as Arch now
.
R
RodoMa92
•
11/29/23, 11:19 AM
Too much crap to be relearned
:P
T
Tsubajashi (ツバジャシ)
the "amount of new stuff" is just the syntax of the nix language
R
RodoMa92
•
11/29/23, 11:19 AM
I like the concept of a functional language
.
R
RodoMa92
•
11/29/23, 11:20 AM
I had to so something in that in uni
.
R
RodoMa92
•
11/29/23, 11:20 AM
I would never use an OS entirely based on that concept
.
R
RodoMa92
•
11/29/23, 11:20 AM
My brain just doesn
't work like that I suppose
.
T
Tsubajashi (ツバジャシ)
OP
•
11/29/23, 11:21 AM
the point is
, you do it once
, and you dont have to redo it everytime
.
T
Tsubajashi (ツバジャシ)
the point is, you do it once, and you dont have to redo it everytime.
R
RodoMa92
•
11/29/23, 11:21 AM
I know
.
R
RodoMa92
•
11/29/23, 11:21 AM
Problem is
.
T
Tsubajashi (ツバジャシ)
OP
•
11/29/23, 11:21 AM
imagine you have to reinstall arch once then
R
RodoMa92
•
11/29/23, 11:21 AM
Getting to do it once XD
T
Tsubajashi (ツバジャシ)
imagine you have to reinstall arch once then
R
RodoMa92
•
11/29/23, 11:22 AM
Already done for zfs
.
R
RodoMa92
•
11/29/23, 11:22 AM
Required far less than learning nix
/s
T
Tsubajashi (ツバジャシ)
OP
•
11/29/23, 11:22 AM
its at max a day
, or just 2
-3 hours for a simple setup if you also rely on distrobox and flatpaks for things you dont want on your base image
R
RodoMa92
Already done for zfs.
R
RodoMa92
•
11/29/23, 11:22 AM
(Which I
'm repenting now
, but that
's another issue
)
T
Tsubajashi (ツバジャシ)
OP
•
11/29/23, 11:23 AM
a good working nix config for mostly gaming and container related tasks only takes
~150 lines of nix
T
Tsubajashi (ツバジャシ)
OP
•
11/29/23, 11:24 AM
there are tons of configs to copy from on github
, too
.
T
Tsubajashi (ツバジャシ)
OP
•
11/29/23, 11:24 AM
home
-manager and flakes arent necessary and are the true head crashers for a newcomer
.
T
Tsubajashi (ツバジャシ)
a good working nix config for mostly gaming and container related tasks only tak...
R
RodoMa92
•
11/29/23, 11:25 AM
Let
's just say that functional is not really my cup of tea
.
R
RodoMa92
•
11/29/23, 11:25 AM
It adds too much complications to something that really doesn
't need to
.
R
RodoMa92
•
11/29/23, 11:25 AM
And besides
, I can always use a script for doing the same on Arch
.
D
dw | uzay
Managed to get to grub and boot into the rollback snapshot. Didn't seem to load ...
T
Tsubajashi (ツバジャシ)
OP
•
11/29/23, 11:32 AM
seems to work as far as i can see
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