for any application the ideal order to try find applications would be * flatpak * your choice of app

for any application the ideal order to try find applications would be

flatpak
your choice of appimage, distrobox, nix, brew, etc in the order you want/prefer
rpm-ostree (last resort as it will slow down your updates a lot)

HikariKnightOP•12/12/23, 10:46 AM

if you do have a dev environment you can replicate in a different distro, i would suggest making a development distrobox and contain the toolchain to that

cpuccino•12/12/23, 10:54 AM

Nice, thanks mate

HikariKnightOP•12/12/23, 11:03 AM

and if youre proficient with nix then use nix if you prefer that

HikariKnightOP•12/12/23, 11:04 AM

i personally prefer distrobox

Raltay•12/12/23, 11:22 AM

There is also Devbox which can create "isolated, reproducible development environments that run anywhere". It also uses Nix under the hood.
https://www.jetpack.io/devbox/

Devbox: Portable, Isolated Dev Environments

Devbox creates isolated, reproducible development environments that can run anywhere without Docker or virtual machines.

Keith( Beat Quest Games)•12/12/23, 2:07 PM

Any reason dual boot doesn't work out of the box if this uses the Fedora installer ?

KKyle Gospo can't install a kernel w/ ostree without doing that

Jilong•12/12/23, 2:20 PM

Ah, it probably needs

/usr/bin/kernel-install

/usr/bin/kernel-install

which does several non-trivial actions in the cliwrapper script. I will just install

etckeeper

etckeeper

into

/usr/local

/usr/local

so that I can maintain my current workflow.

HHikariKnight the fsync kernel should only be in :testing atm i believe, since it will not wor...

Jilong•12/12/23, 2:24 PM

Yes, I'm testing bazzite on a Steam Deck OLED, and that seems to be the only image+tag that allows a USB keyboard attached to the dock to work at boot (needed to enter password used for FDE).

Deleted User•12/12/23, 2:36 PM

Is there a way to disable the thing that asks for a password every time I open my browser? It's super annoying

KKeith( Beat Quest Games)Any reason dual boot doesn't work out of the box if this uses the Fedora install...

dreamyuki•12/12/23, 2:51 PM

if you want dual boot use separated disk

KKeith( Beat Quest Games)Any reason dual boot doesn't work out of the box if this uses the Fedora install...

ChaiQi•12/12/23, 3:09 PM

It does, the disclaimer that it's not officially supported means "do it at your own risk, back up everything on an airgapped drive first"

DDeleted User Is there a way to disable the thing that asks for a password every time I open m...

ChaiQi•12/12/23, 3:12 PM

Did you uninstall/delete kwallet?

Deleted User•12/12/23, 3:24 PM

I'm using bazzite deck gnome

ChaiQi•12/12/23, 3:25 PM

Gnome, alright. Did you enable passwordless login?

Deleted User•12/12/23, 3:34 PM

I think that's enabled by default in the deck version right?

ChaiQi•12/12/23, 3:49 PM

I'm not sure

ChaiQi•12/12/23, 3:53 PM

I don't have a deck, but passwordless login on my laptop made me enter my password upon opening my browser because it has a password manager which by design requires some escalation of privileges to cough up things like credit card info

tryhardsoccermomswag•12/12/23, 3:54 PM

what browser?

Ttryhardsoccermomswag what browser?

Deleted User•12/12/23, 3:54 PM

Google chrome

HHikariKnight for any application the ideal order to try find applications would be * flatpak ...

Zelaf•12/12/23, 3:57 PM

Woot? rpm-ostree slows down updates?

ZZelaf Woot? rpm-ostree slows down updates?

HikariKnightOP•12/12/23, 4:00 PM

think of it as git for your whole OS
when you update, it has to download the new image then "git rebase" all your installed applications onto the new image

in layman terms it essentially "re-installs" the programs installed with rpm-ostree with each new update to the base system

CChaiQi I don't have a deck, but passwordless login on my laptop made me enter my passwo...

Deleted User•12/12/23, 4:00 PM

When using kde I just deleted kwallet and that solved the problem but I don't know what I can delete to resolve this on gnome

RRodoMa92 Nope, select

Zelaf•12/12/23, 4:05 PM

Three lines button isn't doing the trick

HHikariKnight think of it as git for your whole OS when you update, it has to download the new...

Zelaf•12/12/23, 4:05 PM

Damn. There's some essential apps I need from rpm-ostree that I can't modify any other way

HikariKnightOP•12/12/23, 4:06 PM

then keep them as rpm-ostree, we are just warning you so you dont install everything with rpm-ostree and get a system that takes hours to update

HikariKnightOP•12/12/23, 4:07 PM

or get into a situation where it breaks updates in general until you uninstall the packages that stops it from updating (imagine how fun that will be with 300+ layered packages if you went that crazy

)

Zelaf•12/12/23, 4:08 PM

I tried getting gphoto2 working through nix but I couldn't get nix to work too reliably sadly

HikariKnightOP•12/12/23, 4:09 PM

yeah if neither nix or distrobox does it for you then rpm-ostree is the last resort which is why we call it last resort

HikariKnightOP•12/12/23, 4:09 PM

main point is to avoid people going straight to layering the package they want when it might not be neccessary

Zelaf•12/12/23, 4:10 PM

Well, if one layers 300 packages maybe it's best to setup a custom image

Zelaf•12/12/23, 4:10 PM

And let GitHub fix all of that

ZZelaf Well, if one layers 300 packages maybe it's best to setup a custom image

HikariKnightOP•12/12/23, 4:11 PM

yep, but not everyone here is willing to do that, some are rather new and just want to use the system normally.

Zelaf•12/12/23, 4:12 PM

With 300 extra packages?

HikariKnightOP•12/12/23, 4:12 PM

it was an example

Zelaf•12/12/23, 4:12 PM

I know haha, would be fun tho

HikariKnightOP•12/12/23, 4:12 PM

a newbie might not know it and just go "oh i will just rpm-ostree to install all my programs"

Zelaf•12/12/23, 4:12 PM

Lemme just install the entirety of gnome stack on top of KDE

HikariKnightOP•12/12/23, 4:13 PM

https://tenor.com/view/eww-god-no-nasty-gross-disgusting-gif-17172294

Tenor

Frozen•12/12/23, 4:13 PM

Is there any way to get the installer to show up only on the external monitor of a docked Deck?

FFrozen Is there any way to get the installer to show up *only* on the external monitor ...

HikariKnightOP•12/12/23, 4:15 PM

dont think so, unless your decks usb mode is set to DRD in the bios, then you should set it to XHCI instead as i think we are still waiting for DRD support to be added to the kernel upstream

HikariKnightOP•12/12/23, 4:15 PM

only thing i can think of if installing through the dock using a monitor is supported

HikariKnightOP•12/12/23, 4:16 PM

not sure if it is though as i dont run bazzite on the deck

Zelaf•12/12/23, 4:16 PM

Is DRD better than XHCI?

HikariKnightOP•12/12/23, 4:17 PM

DRD is dual role device, it supports things like OTG

Frozen•12/12/23, 4:17 PM

I used an external monitor installing bazzite on my OG Deck. Editing the boot command to 1920x1080 worked. I couldn't read anything on the Deck screen, obviously, lol, but the monitor worked fine.

But doing the same doesn't work for the OLED Deck. I set it to 1920x1080 and changed the tag from :39 to :testing, and when the installer comes up, it's spread out across both screens and completely unusable, lol.

HikariKnightOP•12/12/23, 4:18 PM

XHCI is what has been standard and most normal throughout the life of usb3

Zelaf•12/12/23, 4:18 PM

Is there supposed to be 4 entries on grub? I see two versions of Linux and ostree:0 and ostree:1 on both

Zelaf•12/12/23, 4:18 PM

OTG is a specific thing?

Zelaf•12/12/23, 4:18 PM

Thought it was just a name for a type of design

ZZelaf OTG is a specific thing?

HikariKnightOP•12/12/23, 4:19 PM

OTG is on the go, think of it as the ability to mount 1 computer disk that is on, onto another computer that is on using an usb cable, assuming the computer youre connecting supports DRD

for any application the ideal order to try find applications would be * flatpak * your choice of app

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