I have heard that they are "Testing the waters" with the new flatpak version and that it is "Not App

I have heard that they are "Testing the waters" with the new flatpak version and that it is "Not Approved" by them yet because of some security thing in Chromium based browsers. Is it stable and secure?

SShrimplover100 I have heard that they are "Testing the waters" with the new flatpak version and...

tryhardsoccermomswag•12/15/23, 5:45 AM

it's the sandboxing in chrome they're referring to that flatpak replaces with its own security measures

tryhardsoccermomswag•12/15/23, 5:46 AM

this is maintained by a vivaldi employee, but yeah the sandboxing that chromium uses is not here

tryhardsoccermomswag•12/15/23, 5:46 AM

i dont think it's a major security risk however

Shrimplover100OP•12/15/23, 5:46 AM

So would I be safe to use the browser and it should be stable as well?

tryhardsoccermomswag•12/15/23, 5:46 AM

i cant speak for stability lol but it should be fine security wise i would say

tryhardsoccermomswag•12/15/23, 5:47 AM

i mean you can just install it and see if your issue still persists on the flatpak version

Shrimplover100OP•12/15/23, 5:47 AM

Good to know, thanks!

tryhardsoccermomswag•12/15/23, 5:47 AM

if it does, or you don't like it simply uninstall it

SShrimplover100 So would I be safe to use the browser and it should be stable as well?

ChaiQi•12/15/23, 6:05 AM

It's at least as secure as every other chromium-based-browser-flatpak since they all rely on the patches developed by one person (refi64, Ryan Gonzalez) who also maintains several of the flatpaks. According to him, theoretically there may be edge cases in the chromium sandbox where it's adapted to make flatpak sandbox calls, but those edge cases should be low risk. None of the other contributors to any of those projects has found any edge cases or security holes. The Vivaldi flatpak should be roughly as stable as all other packages, or a bit more so

Shrimplover100OP•12/15/23, 6:06 AM

Okay I have it installed but plasma browser integration doesn't seem to be working, is there something in flatseal that I can do?

ChaiQi•12/15/23, 6:06 AM

Good question. Does that integration work for other chromium based browser flatpaks?

Shrimplover100OP•12/15/23, 6:07 AM

That part idk bc the only other browser I've used under flatpak is firefox and it seemed to work if I remember correctly.

Shrimplover100OP•12/15/23, 6:08 AM

And for that I never had to change anything in flatseal.

ChaiQi•12/15/23, 6:09 AM

Gotcha. I'd say check the Chromium flatpak just in case - if it does work there, it may well be a flatseal permission issue

ChaiQi•12/15/23, 6:10 AM

And especially if we track down which one, it'd probably be worth opening an issue on the Vivaldi flatpak repo to get the default changed

ChaiQi•12/15/23, 6:11 AM

It's good to know that Firefox does work. If base Chromium doesn't, it could potentially be a chromium-based issue

ChaiQi•12/15/23, 6:12 AM

Plasma integration worked with layered Vivaldi, right?

Shrimplover100OP•12/15/23, 6:12 AM

I can check that one tomorrow and with Firefox I could be misremembering so I will try after school tomorrow.

CChaiQi Plasma integration worked with layered Vivaldi, right?

Shrimplover100OP•12/15/23, 6:13 AM

Yes, installed with rpm-ostree

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ChaiQi•12/15/23, 6:13 AM

also, I may have just remembered what could cause this, but I am very much not sure

ChaiQi•12/15/23, 6:13 AM

Nvidia GPU?

Shrimplover100OP•12/15/23, 6:13 AM

My Dell XPS 15 9510 does have a 3050 Mobile.

ChaiQi•12/15/23, 6:14 AM

Aha, point toward my suspicion

ChaiQi•12/15/23, 6:14 AM

ChaiQi•12/15/23, 6:14 AM

I've had issues with this flag before, but after my main monitor died, I had issues with Vivaldi on my laptop's internal screen, turned it on, and no longer had issues

ChaiQi•12/15/23, 6:15 AM

I'm using the Vivaldi flatpak on the 11-20-2023 build of Bazzite - the last one with the 535 driver since 545 breaks Gnome experimental VRR

Shrimplover100OP•12/15/23, 6:15 AM

I'm using Wayland now but when I was on OpenSUSE Tumbleweed with Xorg the problem still occurred.

ChaiQi•12/15/23, 6:15 AM

oh, huh

ChaiQi•12/15/23, 6:16 AM

then I maybe have no idea

Shrimplover100OP•12/15/23, 6:16 AM

The problem never happened back when I used CachyOS so maybe it is a problem with rpm based Distros?

ChaiQi•12/15/23, 6:17 AM

I don't see how it could be, but maybe..?

ChaiQi•12/15/23, 6:17 AM

You said it seems to be kernel-related, yeah?

SShrimplover100 Okay I have it installed but plasma browser integration doesn't seem to be worki...

stephenz•12/15/23, 6:19 AM

https://github.com/flathub/org.chromium.Chromium/issues/34
Seems to be a known issue

GitHub

Plasma browser integration doesn't work · Issue #34 · flathub/org.c...

KDE has extension for Google Chrome / Chromium to provide integration with Plasma (and partly XFCE) desktop (Media playback, file downloads, KDE Connect etc). It's called Plasma Browser Integra...

Shrimplover100OP•12/15/23, 6:19 AM

Yeah on TW every time my kernel updated the problem would happen and it would only go away when Vivaldi updated, no Nvidia Driver updates ever fixed it nor did any further kernel fix it either

ChaiQi•12/15/23, 6:19 AM

Ah, hmmm

ChaiQi•12/15/23, 6:20 AM

You might try rebasing back to the December 2nd or November 20th builds of Bazzite to see if the issue still occurs

SShrimplover100 The problem never happened back when I used CachyOS so maybe it is a problem wit...

Shrimplover100OP•12/15/23, 6:20 AM

Whenever I updated the kernal on CachyOS the problem never happend which is weird.

ChaiQi•12/15/23, 6:21 AM

The former should revert a kernel update, and the latter should revert a Nvidia driver update

ChaiQi•12/15/23, 6:22 AM

I hadn't known/remembered CachyOS, so I initially thought it might use an older kernel, but it seems to use roughly the latest kernel version, but with various modifications under the hood

ChaiQi•12/15/23, 6:23 AM

ain't got scratch on rebasing to date tags for troubleshooting though lol

Shrimplover100OP•12/15/23, 6:23 AM

Maybe I should embrace the Flatpak version from now on and see how that goes, if can remember to I can try out the different browsers to see if they have the plasma browser integration problem or not tomorrow after I finish up high school for the day.

ChaiQi•12/15/23, 6:24 AM

Heh, no rush on our ends, I'm partly just thinking out loud about what all you could eventually try

Shrimplover100OP•12/15/23, 6:25 AM

Anyways it is getting late and I need to get to bed and thanks so much for your assistance! I'm still new to this immutable distro scene and so far I'm liking it!

Shrimplover100OP•12/15/23, 6:25 AM

ChaiQi•12/15/23, 6:25 AM