I disagree with this take, raytracing can be way more transformative to game visuals than any raster

I disagree with this take, raytracing can be way more transformative to game visuals than any raster perf increase at this point of 'diminishing returns'.

©©TriMoon™RayTracing is over hyped, no games REALLY use or need it yet...

Al-Mumin•1/18/24, 9:31 AM

same thing with nvidia overhyped when rtx 40 series came out lol

RRaltay I disagree with this take, raytracing can be way more transformative to game vis...

©TriMoon™•1/18/24, 9:31 AM

I didn't say the tech is worthless, it can improve stuff yes...but it's NOT needed (required) yet by most games...

Al-Mumin•1/18/24, 9:33 AM

curious to ask whats better in terms gpu fans single or dual or triple?

pintocat•1/18/24, 9:33 AM

The only good thing about Nvidia is it led me to discover ublue before I upgraded to an amd :p

©TriMoon™•1/18/24, 9:33 AM

The time of RayTracing will start when 99% of user computers are all using GPU's that support RayTracing, untill then all games will support non RT just to be able to sell to those users also...

Ppintocat The only good thing about Nvidia is it led me to discover ublue before I upgrade...

Al-Mumin•1/18/24, 9:34 AM

same here it led me here cuz of it

©©TriMoon™The time of RayTracing will start when 99% of user computers are all using GPU's...

Al-Mumin•1/18/24, 9:35 AM

just like all games werent supporting linux until steamdeck came along and made it popular which it forced most game developers to support linux lol

©TriMoon™•1/18/24, 9:36 AM

Want to know a fun but sad info from me?
I bought a new system just because i was fed up with the Broadcom driver in my old MB not allowing me to setup an WiFi-AP...
But now im screwed again by Intel due to AX210 on my MB and their driver disables AP's in any higher as 2.4GHz... FU Intel+nVidia from my side...

AAl-Mumin just like all games werent supporting linux until steamdeck came along and made ...

©TriMoon™•1/18/24, 9:36 AM

EXACTLY...

©©TriMoon™The time of RayTracing will start when 99% of user computers are all using GPU's...

pintocat•1/18/24, 9:36 AM

Every game console uses amd for graphics, and consoles are something like.. 70% of game market?

AAl-Mumin just like all games werent supporting linux until steamdeck came along and made ...

RaltayOP•1/18/24, 9:38 AM

Do they really though? Unless by 'supporting Linux' you mean - somebody cares to test whether it launches in Proton properly.

©TriMoon™•1/18/24, 9:38 AM

Time of nVidia and Intel are counted since years, but their end is coming soon(tm) i hope

Geechan•1/18/24, 9:38 AM

We shouldn't hope that their "end" is coming soon at all. We should just hope for more open source technologies allowing us to be agnostic with what hardware we choose. Intel is already very good at this front along with AMD

Geechan•1/18/24, 9:39 AM

I look forward to NVK and what it will bring

pintocat•1/18/24, 9:39 AM

I haven't had any issues with Intel, I just went amd CPU to match the gpu. Idk if it matters I just figured it might be smoother than mixing

©TriMoon™•1/18/24, 9:39 AM

Intel is smarter as nVidia in that aspect because it sees it end if it doesn't support Linux sooner as later...

©TriMoon™•1/18/24, 9:40 AM

Example Intel is STILL doing STUPID stuff with Linux drivers (AX210)

Al-Mumin•1/18/24, 9:40 AM

nvidia is slow in keeping up with linux support lol

pintocat•1/18/24, 9:41 AM

Arc gpu having a huge performance hit on older directx turned me away. A large percentage of my game time is in games that are like 10 years old

Al-Mumin•1/18/24, 9:41 AM

they fix something and other things it break

©TriMoon™•1/18/24, 9:41 AM

Slow? now THATS an understatement...

©©TriMoon™Slow? now THATS an understatement... 🤣

Al-Mumin•1/18/24, 9:41 AM

what is then?

Geechan•1/18/24, 9:41 AM

To be fair, so is AMD, lol. They've gotten the support they have because they opened their driver stack. If they didn't, I guarantee it would have been just as slow or worse than Nvidia's support

AAl-Mumin nvidia is slow in keeping up with linux support lol

©TriMoon™•1/18/24, 9:42 AM

That was a reply to this one i quoted...

Geechan•1/18/24, 9:42 AM

And in fact, it was worse for a long time. You basically had to use Nvidia back in the day

Al-Mumin•1/18/24, 9:42 AM

im aware

GGeechan To be fair, so is AMD, lol. They've gotten the support they have because they op...

Valerie•1/18/24, 9:42 AM

The best way to make a driver stack is to let literally anybody else do it

Geechan•1/18/24, 9:42 AM

Agreed

Geechan•1/18/24, 9:43 AM

The open source community has many eyes on the code at once

©TriMoon™•1/18/24, 9:43 AM

Anyhow, both companies Intel and nVidia are like (or actually are?) Micro$@$ with their closed source crap stuff...

Al-Mumin•1/18/24, 9:43 AM

nvidia still refusing to open source of their drivers lol

pintocat•1/18/24, 9:43 AM

Intel has quite a bit of open source afaik

Geechan•1/18/24, 9:43 AM

The drawback to the open source approach is you need to be on bleeding edge kernel and mesa versions for new hardware support (and even then, it's not immediate). With Nvidia's blob, it's pretty much immediate support

Geechan•1/18/24, 9:44 AM

Support does end up being far better in the long term with AMD

Al-Mumin•1/18/24, 9:45 AM

i might just say goodbye to nvidia if they havent fix their garbage lol

AMD = Smart and comunity orientated...
Intel + nVidia = Self centered with only their own interests in mind, giving a fck about the consumers if they keep buying their crap

AAl-Mumin curious to ask whats better in terms gpu fans single or dual or triple?

Al-Mumin•1/18/24, 9:46 AM

answers?

Geechan•1/18/24, 9:46 AM

Intel is actually very good with open source stuff - the Arc cards are just still considered quite experimental

And thats from years (read decades) of computer experience...

pintocat•1/18/24, 9:46 AM

Nvidia is too busy chasing that over inflated money they were making at the height of crypto and chip shortage to give a crap

Al-Mumin•1/18/24, 9:47 AM

amd i agree and intel they smart too expect nvidia they gonna get bankrupt in couple years

AAl-Mumin answers?

Depends on your GPU and case fans.... but like everything more is always better

Geechan•1/18/24, 9:47 AM

Nvidia definitely are not gonna get bankrupt anytime soon lol

Geechan•1/18/24, 9:47 AM

They're a trillion dollar company now

GGeechan They're a trillion dollar company now

Al-Mumin•1/18/24, 9:48 AM

oh yeah every new gpu they make its more worse than old ones lol

pintocat•1/18/24, 9:48 AM

I could see Nvidia selling off or spinning off their consumer graphics business tho, to focus on ML

Geechan•1/18/24, 9:48 AM

I do agree their modern GPUs are laughably overpriced

Geechan•1/18/24, 9:49 AM

they still perform well, but pricing is a complete mess

The best and smartest thing Intel and nVidia can do is buy shares in AMD, but keeping their PAWS off of actual decissions made by AMD...

GGeechan I do agree their modern GPUs are laughably overpriced

Al-Mumin•1/18/24, 9:49 AM

legit i found nvidia gpu cost 1.5k like thats scam lol

I disagree with this take, raytracing can be way more transformative to game visuals than any raster

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