VPforce Controls•2y ago

I seek 20lbs at the grip 😅

I seek 20lbs at the grip

AndyHill•1/21/24, 2:33 PM

what grip are going to use?

Red MagicOP•1/21/24, 2:33 PM

t50

Bob Bushman•1/21/24, 2:33 PM

It'll snap

AndyHill•1/21/24, 2:33 PM

at that kind of power you're going to need to start thinking about grips and grip attachments

Red MagicOP•1/21/24, 2:33 PM

damn

AndyHill•1/21/24, 2:33 PM

those are designed for far lower loads

RRed Magic Could the bigger motors fit into the rhino box well enough anyways

Fierce_Fire•1/21/24, 2:33 PM

some have modded it but not stock

RRed Magic I seek 20lbs at the grip 😅

Fierce_Fire•1/21/24, 2:33 PM

for what reason exactly?

Red MagicOP•1/21/24, 2:34 PM

warbirds

Fierce_Fire•1/21/24, 2:34 PM

I have largest motors but triple the extension so about the same force at the stick, and its more than enough for me

AndyHill•1/21/24, 2:34 PM

I don't know if they will just snap outright or not, but I suggest you figure that out before making a super strong base

Red MagicOP•1/21/24, 2:34 PM

20lb pull was standard at the grip

AndyHill•1/21/24, 2:35 PM

the virpil base isn't especially strong so that stick is intended for maybe a fifth of that pull at most, depends on how much extra strength they built in but it very well might not be 5x

Bob Bushman•1/21/24, 2:35 PM

Half that is plenty good for a sim, the biggest draw isnt for how heavy it is, but everything in between.
Its got great dynamics.

AndyHill•1/21/24, 2:36 PM

just by touching my stick(s) I would probably be at least a little concerned about the durability at 20lbs

Red MagicOP•1/21/24, 2:37 PM

hmm alright

Red MagicOP•1/21/24, 2:37 PM

was wondering how within the realm of possibility it was

Bob Bushman•1/21/24, 2:37 PM

It might not be immediate but fatiguing is a thing.
One of those realsim resin grips might do better but I'm not even sure those are made for 20lbs

RRed Magic was wondering how within the realm of possibility it was

Bob Bushman•1/21/24, 2:37 PM

Its an engineering questions, but I'd start directly with diy and hope you have access to a cnc mill

Red MagicOP•1/21/24, 2:38 PM

i do not

Bob Bushman•1/21/24, 2:38 PM

And a ww2 planes doesnt require 36 button inputs.

AndyHill•1/21/24, 2:38 PM

I don't want to shoot your dreams down since I'd like 20lbs myself, but I think there are quite a few potential issues to consider if you want to be successful

Red MagicOP•1/21/24, 2:39 PM

well it was worth asking i suppose

Bob Bushman•1/21/24, 2:39 PM

So a diy fully metal grip wouldn't be to impossible.

Red MagicOP•1/21/24, 2:39 PM

what factors does the software look at for creating force

Red MagicOP•1/21/24, 2:39 PM

within dcs

Red MagicOP•1/21/24, 2:39 PM

what data does it draw from

AndyHill•1/21/24, 2:40 PM

metal isn't an I win -button, I snapped a Warthog clean in two by accident and I'm not exactly karate kid

AndyHill•1/21/24, 2:40 PM

some DCS modules have native FFB support, then there's the telemFFB software that looks into data exports and does its thing through that

AAndyHill some DCS modules have native FFB support, then there's the telemFFB software tha...

Red MagicOP•1/21/24, 2:41 PM

How well does it work? How does FFB natively and then using Telem comapre

Bob Bushman•1/21/24, 2:42 PM

Well thats a warthog, they build cheap and disguise with metal.

AndyHill•1/21/24, 2:42 PM

I don't have a lot of experience, since I've been using mostly jets lately and I'm kind of a purist so I don't use the full spectrum of forces

AndyHill•1/21/24, 2:42 PM

but the important consideration is that the native FFB is a VERY inconsistent thing

AndyHill•1/21/24, 2:42 PM

some modules are great, some have no forces at all

Bob Bushman•1/21/24, 2:42 PM

Very module dependent.

Red MagicOP•1/21/24, 2:43 PM

Jets I don't think it would matter much, there shouldn't be a lot to think about there. But more analog aircraft there's bobweights, stick forces from control surfaces fighting airflow, and weight and stability effects from %MAC.

AndyHill•1/21/24, 2:43 PM

the warbirds do have the important stuff such as stall shakes and stiffening in airflow (although it saturates at quite low speeds)

AndyHill•1/21/24, 2:43 PM

helicopters tend to have force trim which is great

AndyHill•1/21/24, 2:43 PM

F-14 is awesome

AndyHill•1/21/24, 2:43 PM

F-18 has nothing afaik

AndyHill•1/21/24, 2:44 PM

F-16 wierdly has a softer elevator axis, but nothing besides that

AAndyHill the warbirds do have the important stuff such as stall shakes and stiffening in ...

Red MagicOP•1/21/24, 2:44 PM

Does the stick get loose and slacken into the stall

AndyHill•1/21/24, 2:44 PM

yes

Bob Bushman•1/21/24, 2:44 PM

I was suprised how much the f16 had

AAndyHill yes

Red MagicOP•1/21/24, 2:44 PM

Does the stick pin into your crotch in a spin?

AndyHill•1/21/24, 2:45 PM

probably not, I'm too good to ever spin my aircraft so don't really know

AndyHill•1/21/24, 2:45 PM

there is no elevator droop on the ground

Red MagicOP•1/21/24, 2:46 PM

Damn

AndyHill•1/21/24, 2:46 PM

Il-2 WW1 planes have that but WW2 planes don't

AndyHill•1/21/24, 2:46 PM

then again the WW1 planes have centering ailerons at 0ias

I seek 20lbs at the grip 😅

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