some DCS modules have native FFB support, then there's the telemFFB software that looks into data ex
some DCS modules have native FFB support, then there's the telemFFB software that looks into data exports and does its thing through that
RHow well does it work? How does FFB natively and then using Telem comapre
BWell thats a warthog, they build cheap and disguise with metal.
AI don't have a lot of experience, since I've been using mostly jets lately and I'm kind of a purist so I don't use the full spectrum of forces
Abut the important consideration is that the native FFB is a VERY inconsistent thing
Asome modules are great, some have no forces at all
BVery module dependent.
RJets I don't think it would matter much, there shouldn't be a lot to think about there. But more analog aircraft there's bobweights, stick forces from control surfaces fighting airflow, and weight and stability effects from %MAC.
Athe warbirds do have the important stuff such as stall shakes and stiffening in airflow (although it saturates at quite low speeds)
Ahelicopters tend to have force trim which is great
AF-14 is awesome
AF-18 has nothing afaik
AF-16 wierdly has a softer elevator axis, but nothing besides that
RDoes the stick get loose and slacken into the stall
Ayes
BI was suprised how much the f16 had 
Aprobably not, I'm too good to ever spin my aircraft so don't really know
Athere is no elevator droop on the ground
RDamn
AIl-2 WW1 planes have that but WW2 planes don't
Athen again the WW1 planes have centering ailerons at 0ias
RWell when the engine is running there should be a bit of centering but not a lot
Rnot for ailerons though when on the ground
Athe main point here is that there's very little consistency in native ffb
Affb in flight sims has been completely neglegted for years, it's a wonder we have what we do
ROh my last few questions were with Telem
Atelem does have elevator droop, I think
BI think half of it is basically what they foegot to remove from the old days.
RStick moves with trimming?
Ayes
Ain some planes
RguH
BDoes with most modules ive tried, and you can use the built in trim if it doesnt.
Rbuilt in trim?
Ris that different from regular trimming
BYeah you can map trim buttons in the configurater and it would work by simply sending position input.
BKind of like hardware trim wheels of old.
Roh i mean trim ingame
Rlike if I take my mouse and spin the wheel the stick moves
Aplanes with trim tabs have the trim feedback in the stick, the ones with adjustable stabilizer have different behavior
Awell when you have airflow, obviously
Rstabilizer shouldn't move the stick tbf
ROne of the quirks of the German aircraft
Rallied birds use the normal tabs tho that move surfaces
Atypically all warbirds (and some jets) have trim operation force done natively, telemffb is open source so technically you can make the stick shake when you get ghosted on tinder
S@Red Magic It seems you are looking for very realistic FFB representation like many of us would like to have. Unfortunately we are not there yet at least not with DCS. The ingame FFB is made for the old weak FFB sticks like MSFFB2. What that means is that for example in P-51 you get completely loose stick on the runway and stiffening forces during takeoff but the maximun stiffness happens already at around 200mph as the old sticks didn’t have enough force to emulate stiffening forces any further. My understanding is that to have more realistic FFB there would need to be access to better telemetry data from DCS and then make the feedback profile and effects almost completely with telemFFB. Then we could have all the effects you (and many others) are looking for (realistic spin effects for pedals and stick etc).
SBut you seem to have good knowledge what kind of effects and forces there should be so I think you can help the guys to develop telemFFB further.
RI think SRS is able to access in-cockpit animations and read/control them. A lot of flight envelope stuff can be probably well-enough inferred through a program just reading the cockpit
RProgramming is not something I'm anywhere approachable to though beyond digging around Luas and changing values that were already there
SI don’t have any idea about programming either. I just have high hopes and some vague idea of how an aircraft should feel like. I think there is a bunch of talented guys doing the programming but it is good to also have someone telling what kind of forces / feel the pilot feels through the stick so these things could be programmed.