I do hope we see competitors sooner than later
I do hope we see competitors sooner than later
VI need me ublue powered spatial computing
CIt's a VR headset with exterior cameras. The competitors have been on the market at a fraction of the price with better software for several years
CIts only unique feature is being entirely unusable for VR gaming
VBetter software might be true, but the implementation of actually being able to do productivity on the vision is better
CMarginally
CUntil everyone else pushes a couple software updates
VThe quest 3 can only realistically have 3 apps open at a time, and most of the apps it supports don't even support that. It's more like using a phone.
CIt's also less than 8% of the price
VWell I'd like to see it. If meta emulate the vision's workflow in the quest 3 I'll buy one
DDoes it have Half-Life Alyx yet? /J
VAlyx is only on steam
DSorry didn't add the /j
CQuest headsets are the absolute bottom of the barrel for capabilities and support, but they are dirt cheap compared to most alternatives and can be fiddled with to stream from a device with actual computing power and peripheral support
VI understand cheaper thing comes with compromises, but the 3 app limit is entirely arbitrary and the lack of non-game software on the quest makes it less comparable to the vision
VOk but that's just saying "The vision pro is bad because the Quest COULD do that"
The reality is at least for now, it doesn't.
The reality is at least for now, it doesn't.
DIn general, Quest is a monitor, Vision Pro is a laptop. It kinda doesn't need to be a laptop tho?
VQuest is a phone
VThe rift and index are monitors
CThe 3 app and software limit is because it's slightly weaker than a mid-range phone. It is usable as a monitor instead, which I just said
CNot could, can. I have.
VThe only screen mirroring software I know of does not allow multiple apps to be used, and the one I know of that does allow multi-apps doesn't allow input.
VI might be wrong, there may be an app that does both
VMoonlight probably does but it'd need sideloading and isn't really a "quest" app
VNot sure if moonlight allows other apps too but I'd need a quest to test it
CIt is limited in window placement and separation, which is not a limitation under a majority of circumstances
VThe fact it's and arbitrary limit that annoys me. There's no reason for it to be like that.
VI know the competition can do what apple does, but they didn't.
CApple's headset has a decent blend of software tweaks which will take a few months for other companies to implement because there has never been any demand for it outside of the enterprise Hololens. Every other product failed because nobody cared and what Apple did has extremely limited real-world advantages.
VSidenote but the holo lens is hot garbage
COther companies did do it, and discontinued the products for a variety of reasons
CWhich one, and what did you use it for? 
VMy college has some holo lens 2s
VTried some quick demos like a drawing thing, an eye tracking demo game and just interacting with the menus
VIt's neat
VIt's not neat for how much it costs
CIts price is now equal to Apple's headset
VI know what I'd take lol
VThe hardware of the holo lens is cool but the displays and optics feel super dated to me, even if the tech is modern.
CIt's not
CApple is competing against 4-5 year old products and fell short of about half the specs of any given one
CI managed a VR lab for about 3 years. I'm curious about whether Apple's marketing gospel will get enough people interested in VR products they don't need that the actual giants in that design space will decide it is viable to produce new tech with those years of research and experience
DDoes anyone know how to enable the overlay that shows your FPS? I'm using the deck image on PC, in game mode.
CI'm sure Apple's headset has some advantages over the entrenched but years-old competition. I doubt it will have any consistent advantages over the next wave of products, if there is one. My expectations for A/M/X/VR have been severely tempered by the stagnation and disinterest I have seen over those years working with it. It just isn't necessary for most things, and there are extreme drawbacks to a lot of things it can be used for. I don't think replacing monitors with floating windows is anywhere near enough, especially for $3500. That was always the weakest, least useful front of VR, except for cases like viewing manuals and videos while working on engines. We'll see.
CWhich overlay? There are multiple which can do that
DAnything that can show the FPS and my GPU name, and works in game mode with Proton games. I thought Bazzite came with one already or there was one built into Steam?
CThere is one built into steam, yeah
CI think there is another one shipped with Bazzite but I am not sure
CI don't think either of them show the GPU name but I am also not sure of that
DHmm, looks like the Steam one doesn't display in game mode for some reason.
DSeems like I might have to install mangohud.
