I am about to buy a VKB grip and figured the latest and greatest revision would be the one to get.

I am about to buy a VKB grip and figured the latest and greatest revision would be the one to get. But looking further into it, the Gunfighter base MkIII and MkIV have different physical connections, which isn't really a surprise. But what's important is that it looks like the VKB adapter available on the VPForce order form is only compatible with the MkIII version, rather than the MkiV version. So I'll buy this one:
https://www.vkbcontrollers.com/products/mcg-ultimate-grip-add-on?variant=39779669868662
instead of this one:
https://www.vkbcontrollers.com/products/mcg-ultimate-add-on-grip-for-gunfighter-iv?variant=40102765232246
Hope that makes sense.

I guess this is more of a PSA than a support inquiry. Unless I'm looking at it wrong, then please tell me I'm wrong!

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MCG Ultimate Add-On Grip for Gunfighter Mk.III

Made for MCG Ultimate Add-On Grip for Gunfighter Mk.III Not compatible with Gunfighter IV Includes 1 MCG ‘Modern Combat Grip’ Ultimate Features MCG Ultimate Grip Right-hand grip design 24-32 programmable buttons, based on the module installed 5 analog axes (2x slew control mini stick axes / 2x trimmer mini stick axes /

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MCG Ultimate Add-On Grip for Gunfighter IV

Made for MCG Ultimate Add-On Grip for Gunfighter IV Not compatible with Gunfighter Mk. III Includes 1 MCG ‘Modern Combat Grip’ Ultimate Features MCG Ultimate Grip Right-hand grip design 24-32 programmable buttons, based on the module installed 5 analog axes (2x slew control mini stick axes / 2x trimmer mini stick axes

omohat•3/16/24, 7:46 PM

I'm also having problems with the latest version of TelemFFB (15 Mar release). It literally won't start for me - i get the spinning cursor and then nothing. Tried restarting PC and same result. The previous version (in the backup folder) still works fine. Any thoughts or ideas?

Oomohat I'm also having problems with the latest version of TelemFFB (15 Mar release). I...

Number481•3/16/24, 7:56 PM

Can you create the support bundle from the help menu using the older version and then DM it to me?

omohat•3/16/24, 8:13 PM

Sure - will do

peteg•3/16/24, 9:20 PM

Is there a way two use two different grips (thrustmaster and Virpil) and have MSFS recognize each and apply separate setting?

amadeus•3/16/24, 11:47 PM

been a minute since i played MSFS, but i would assume no, you'd have to save different profiles and switch between them? or have use different IDs when using different grips

Virus•3/17/24, 10:15 AM

just a small question...I have winwing adapter and winwing f16 grip....in the VPForce configurator the POV (trim hat) is reported as POV1 while in DCS (and also the other sims) is seen as POV4...is there a way to change that behaviour?

Aamadeus been a minute since i played MSFS, but i would assume no, you'd have to save dif...

peteg•3/17/24, 10:54 AM

Thanks for the help!

Knuck👨✈•3/17/24, 11:28 AM

@walmis So I have downloaded all the software and it appears to have made things worse. To begin, the stick when it powers up does not centre, so I’m unsure why that is. The emergency stop is not engaged or down. I have a winwing F-16 joystick and I wonder at the F18 joystick selection? I did note once when flying in DCS that I had roll control, but no pitch control in one of the jets. I’ve run that link you sent the button tester, and I’ve attached several screenshots to try and help solve whatever the issue is. The stick still does not recognise any of the joystick buttons. I wonder if I should uninstall the 2 VP force software and unplug and restart?

Knuck👨✈•3/17/24, 11:28 AM

KKnuck👨✈@walmis So I have downloaded all the software and it appears to have made things...

walmis•3/17/24, 11:43 AM

The first issue is that you cleared the settings to board defaults, that includes the calibration.
To recover you need to import the file configs/RHINO-defaults.vpconfconfigs/RHINO-defaults.vpconf located where you extracted the configurator app.
Afterwards you will need to calibrate the axes using auto calibrateauto calibrate button. Make sure to move both X, Y axes to their limits while the calibrate button is checked (active).
Check the invert tick boxes so the axis movement corresponds to the axis indicator.
Make sure to click apply settingsapply settings to check the changes and store settingsstore settings so the settings are saved after device reboot.

walmis•3/17/24, 11:43 AM

As for the winwing adapter - do the buttons light up in the configurator when you press them?

Knuck👨✈•3/17/24, 11:48 AM

Ok I’ll do all that thanks mate. No they don’t light up in configurator

walmis•3/17/24, 11:53 AM

Can you set the grip type to Debug, and make screenshot of the Debug tab?

Knuck👨✈•3/17/24, 11:55 AM

VVirus just a small question...I have winwing adapter and winwing f16 grip....in the VP...

Virus•3/17/24, 11:55 AM

@walmis do you any clue why?

VVirus @walmis do you any clue why?

walmis•3/17/24, 12:07 PM

Not sure, it's reported to the OS as the first hat though

Virus•3/17/24, 12:16 PM

Yes that's my thought as well, but also in windows control panel if you move it, it is in green (pov1 is red usually) so something strange is going on (minor I know, but if solved I could keep 1 to 1 the same bindings as with my winwing base which I use as side stick)

Knuck👨✈•3/17/24, 12:36 PM

Glaive(Rikk)•3/17/24, 12:42 PM

Was using the stick this morning all fine, just plugged it back in and now totally dead. Checked the PSU which is outputting 19v fine, but stick itself is dead, windows also doesn't recognise it being plugged in anymore.

Anything I can check, I'm pretty ok with electronics? Didn't want to go digging in straight away.

Glaive(Rikk)•3/17/24, 12:47 PM

Little more checking, I get the beeps out of the base as I plug in the USB, but as above windows isn't seeing it and the joystick itself is limp like the stop button is pressed in.

walmis•3/17/24, 12:57 PM

Beeping indicates that the mainboard is still working. Do the motors anti cogging work when you plug in the power?
Is it connected to the mainboard or via hub?

KKnuck👨✈Click to see attachment

walmis•3/17/24, 1:01 PM

Looks like base communicates with the adapter OK, maybe your grip connector is not fully inserted?

Wwalmis Beeping indicates that the mainboard is still working. Do the motors anti coggin...

Glaive(Rikk)•3/17/24, 1:07 PM

I assume you mean by anti cogging that it's smooth rather than the feeling of bumps as you move the stick? if so then yes thats working.
It was through a hub but have tried it directly with the same results

GGlaive(Rikk)I assume you mean by anti cogging that it's smooth rather than the feeling of bu...

walmis•3/17/24, 1:11 PM

Probably a good idea to try a different usb cable if you haven't done so already, before digging any deeper

Wwalmis Probably a good idea to try a different usb cable if you haven't done so already...

Glaive(Rikk)•3/17/24, 1:16 PM

Was just in the process of doing that and yep, somehow the cable is faulty....... Oh well catastophy averted

Pikas62•3/17/24, 3:37 PM

OK, I reconnect the adapter with the stick and report back

Pikas62•3/17/24, 3:40 PM

ok I will realign the arrow

Broadway•3/17/24, 5:24 PM

too exited to re read everything , but will start .....

Just built a DIY Rhino finished about an hour ago , all working in VPC mounted VKB via adaptor , joystick buttons all working , played with the TelemFFB configuration files and it updated the IL2 start up file BUT .... i start IL2 , i go to settings , it sees JOYSTICK 10 as the Rhino , and by moving the stick it records roll as X , pitch as Y , but when i try and fly i get no response on either axis in the plane . Tried a reboot , restarting game and stick , and ideas ,

Broadway•3/17/24, 5:25 PM

Device Firmware: v1.0.16

BBroadway too exited to re read everything , but will start ..... Just built a DIY Rh...

Number481•3/17/24, 5:39 PM

I know IL2 has issues when too many USB devices are connected.. that can manifest in different ways. Sounds like you have a lot of devices (joystick 10). Try disconnecting some thing or two and see if it registers while in the aircraft. Some folks also use HID Hide.

Also make sure you explicitly enable FFB in the IL2 input device settings, though this won't cause what you are seeing

Lastly, you mention TelemFFB config files.. you're probably using the "stable release" version... you'll want to grab the release version as it is much more feature rich (and no pesky text config files). Check the pinned messages in #VPforce-TelemFFB for a link to the downloads page.

Broadway•3/17/24, 5:50 PM

thanks , i did wonder about the Joystick 10 issue , i have a few that i would like to keep

1- VKB stick

Slaw Pedals
3 Throttle 1
4 Throttle 2
5&6 2x button boxes
7 The RHINO

also how should windows USB controllers see the Rhino , anything i need to do , or delete there ?

And yes i have stable Telem FFB , will latest release

Number481•3/17/24, 6:15 PM

You don't need or want to do anything in the windows usb controller, all calibration and any necessecary axis inversions should be done through the configurator.

I can't really give you any further tips on the (potential) HID device count issue. I've never run into the issue myself, but I know many have. A lot of people end up using HidHide (https://github.com/nefarius/HidHide) to mask certain peripherals that are not needed from being seein by IL2 so they don't have to disconnect anything.

I'd test the theory out before going down that path though. Disconnect a couple devices and try IL2 again and see if it sees the Rhino device properly during flight.

legwan10•3/17/24, 7:15 PM

After 1-2min of intense flying, like dogfight, fan starting. I suppose it's for cooling down motors. But is it normal the motors getting warm that quick? Power knob is set on about 50-60%.

AndyHill•3/17/24, 7:20 PM

I'm not sure but sounds pretty quick for 50-60%

NNumber481 You don't need or want to do anything in the windows usb controller, all calibra...

Broadway•3/17/24, 7:26 PM

Thanks,I think i ve totally screwed up IL2 and controller setting as no longer even sees the rhino, i m going to reinstall IL2 then plug in only a few controllers and take it from there. Other than VPC is there any other way of checking all is working ok , from a windows / software perspective? Other sims i have but not tested are MSFS and DCS

AndyHill•3/17/24, 7:28 PM

I suggest trying to reduce the number of controllers before reinstalling

AndyHill•3/17/24, 7:28 PM

Il-2 controller setup is really funky stuff

legwan10•3/17/24, 7:57 PM

What's the correct temp?

AndyHill•3/17/24, 8:11 PM

I don't know if there is a correct temp as such, it just sounds like pretty fast heating for 50-60% power

smitty•3/17/24, 9:07 PM

another trick might be to use joystick gremlin and combine your pedals and switch boxes into a single "device" and then hidhide the real ones

Wwalmis The first issue is that you cleared the settings to board defaults, that include...

Knuck👨✈•3/17/24, 11:14 PM

How do I reimport that file into configurator? I can see it in the configs folder

TrigaNZ•3/17/24, 11:19 PM

Open configurator, click 'Import' browse to folder, select.

TrigaNZ•3/17/24, 11:23 PM

Make your changes, click 'Apply' test, make changes 'Apply" etc, then Store (save)

Panny•3/18/24, 7:13 AM

I started getting this issue, where the stick doesn't seem to be able to start. I get this sound effect of it starting up and then shutting down
I originally had the cable go through a hub, it worked fine, and then stopped doing so. I've tried direct to my computer and get the same issue regardless

PPanny I started getting this issue, where the stick doesn't seem to be able to start. ...

walmis•3/18/24, 7:15 AM

This sound is when motors are not receiving power

walmis•3/18/24, 7:17 AM

Try opening the VP configurator app and see what's the status

Wwalmis This sound is when motors are not receiving power

Panny•3/18/24, 7:18 AM

I double checked, but the ac adaptor is plugged in as well as I can make it. The application itself shows the USB to be disconnected, with both motors offline

Panny•3/18/24, 7:19 AM

I was starting to get an issue yesterday where the stick was randomly connecting/disconnecting

Panny•3/18/24, 7:20 AM

walmis•3/18/24, 7:20 AM

Hmm, try maybe another cable

I am about to buy a VKB grip and figured the latest and greatest revision would be the one to get.

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