really in the same position - just trying to get force trim to work with the AH64 - have the force t

really in the same position - just trying to get force trim to work with the AH64 - have the force trim up bound in DCS and the the force trim enabled in the vpforce software - notice in the vpforce software there seems to be key binds for the 4 force trim positions - do these actually need to be bound for it to work or is binding in DCS sufficient? (apart from that is there anything else needs to be done for it to work)?

Mmac22443506 really in the same position - just trying to get force trim to work with the AH6...

Number481•3/24/24, 12:49 PM

The hardware trim settings in VPf Configurator is only meant for enabling force trim like behavior for games that do not support FFB. You can leave it enabled, but it will have no effect in DCS unless the "override trim" option is enabled in VPf Configurator.

The force-trim functionality is completely implemented by DCS. There is no need to set up the options in VPf Configurator

NNumber481 The hardware trim settings in VPf Configurator is only meant for enabling force ...

mac22443506OP•3/24/24, 12:54 PM

got it thanks will leave unchecked - so to get it working on the AH64 simply a key bind for up force trim is required in DCS which I will press move the stick to the new "centre" and release - stick then finds its new centre? (if yes why are there key binds for left and right force trim)

Number481•3/24/24, 1:07 PM

are you talking about the 4 hat options in the HW force trim in VPf Configurator? Again, those are meant for sims that do not support FFB and will emulate the stick offset moving when pressing a trim hat.

The Apache in DCS has multiple force trim bindings that interact with the SAS/Autopilot....

mac22443506OP•3/24/24, 1:10 PM

yes absolutely correct so basically the force trim up is the key thin to bind in DCS (hold it and set stick then release will give you a new centre - and would the trim reset bind right at the bottom set everything to the default position ? also 2 more unconnected questions (testing the rhino first with DCS - mainly DCS, p51 and F18) - 1)just wondering if there are any recommended settings (screen shot would be helpful) for the main configurator software tab settings - such as what effects should be ticked (such as friction and damper) and what the sliders in the setting tab (such as inertia and friction) should be set to? 2)was also finding in the AH64 was not getting any effects for things such as cannon firing and general judder - presume this is because I used the stable version of the telem software - can see there is also a more updated WIP version which guess is required for these effects to be enabled?

Number481•3/24/24, 1:17 PM

No, %90+ of the effects are the same between stable and WIP.. itsjust that WIP is much easier to configure.

A good place to start is to import the default vpf configurator profile in the configs directory, enable damper in the effects tab and then adjust the damper slider in the settings tab to your liking.

NNumber481 No, %90+ of the effects are the same between stable and WIP.. itsjust that WIP i...

mac22443506OP•3/24/24, 1:22 PM

ok - maybe I did something wrong then - the version of telem I had running 1.0.0 I think - was showing the telemmetry from DCS - but I noticed in some screenshots of the latest telem it broke out the effects that were implemented for say the AH64 into sliders so you could tweak the effects separately - I was not getting this in the version of telem I was running? - also with the latest version of telem I thought you just needed to load up the module and it would auto detect the aircraft with no more tinkering required - so have I missed some setup steps to get everything working?

NNumber481 No, %90+ of the effects are the same between stable and WIP.. itsjust that WIP i...

mac22443506OP•3/24/24, 1:24 PM

ok will give it a try - so is there a reset to default button and where can I roll it back to default? - so are you simply running with the spring and damper effects ticked? (not using things like friction ect enabled..)

Mmac22443506 ok - maybe I did something wrong then - the version of telem I had running 1.0.0...

Number481•3/24/24, 1:31 PM

thats the whole part where I said "WIP is easier to configure". Stable is all flat text config files that need to be edited to change anything. WIP is all UI based. Check out sections 4.1 (stable) and 4.2 (WIP) in the manual (linked at the top of https://discord.com/channels/965234441511383080/1091401951951982602) to get an idea of the evolution between the two.

There are a number of things in VPf Configurator that can affect how the haptic effects from TelemFFB behave, including the periodic effects slider and the periodic effects LPF values in the expert settings.

You can set the rhino back to default at any time by simply re-importing the default profile and apply/store.

FFierce_Fire It's long, unless you make it yourself. The diy kits get shipped within a week a...

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NNumber481 thats the whole part where I said "WIP is easier to configure". Stable is all f...

mac22443506OP•3/24/24, 6:39 PM

thanks very helpful - so using the WIP telem software now and the experience is much improved however have had a few other issues 1)finding the gun vibration/weapon release effect for example do not produce any kind of shake or shudder (even when I set it to 100% - this is for both the the AH64 and p51)? (also I note in the telem software some of the sliders are green (full effect?) and other are purple (including the gun vibration) - not sure what this means and the active effect column seems to change during the flight from 1 to 4 or 5 - not sure if this is as intended?2) still struggling with the behaviour of the forced trim (everything is setup - button mapped to force trim up and the instant trim selected in the options for the AH64) - however the result when I pull and release the force trim up button is very inconsistent - occasionally it will remain in the new position (presume as intended) but often it will come back to the natural centre either slowly or immediately- note the button press in the 3d cockpit is showing up as expected but the result is certain not what I expect?

Mmac22443506 thanks very helpful - so using the WIP telem software now and the experience is ...

Number481•3/24/24, 6:55 PM

really don't know on the force trim issue.. that has not to do with TelemFFB.. its all DirectX FFB betwen DCS and the Rhino. as long as you have the "instant" option picked in the 64's special settings, when you push and hold the TR, the spring force on the rhino should go away... when you release the TR button, the spring will return with the center at the new position.

For the gunfire... if you are feeling other effects (engine/rotor/ground/stall, etc).. make sure you don't have unlimited ammo enabled. When its enabled, the ammo quantity never changes and Telem doesn't know your firing a weapon.

A green slider indicates that the effect which is controlled by that slider is active

ITBERYAN•3/24/24, 7:48 PM

Hey all, I'm "semi" new in the flight sim world, been playing DCS for the better part of 8 months maybe now and was wondering.
This FFB stick, will it make a big difference for me in the F-14? I'm aware it doesn't have Fly By Wire so it probably would make a big change, but the videos I've seen have been people flying choppers or Prop Planes

ITBERYAN•3/24/24, 7:49 PM

I'm in no right state to purchase one just yet, so very much window shopping lol, but I dream of one day having an extreme immersion setup

IITBERYAN Hey all, I'm "semi" new in the flight sim world, been playing DCS for the better...

Fierce_Fire•3/24/24, 8:04 PM

from what i heard the f14 has close to if not the best ffb implementation of all the modules

FFierce_Fire from what i heard the f14 has close to if not the best ffb implementation of all...

ITBERYAN•3/24/24, 8:04 PM

Looks like I'm on the right track then lol

IITBERYAN Hey all, I'm "semi" new in the flight sim world, been playing DCS for the better...

Red Magic•3/24/24, 8:11 PM

Mostly in shake effects and stick resistance when pulling G I think. F-4 sounds like it'll be pretty much the same

NNumber481 really don't know on the force trim issue.. that has not to do with TelemFFB.. ...

mac22443506OP•3/24/24, 9:00 PM

ok understood - so for the force trim question the correct button to map in DCS is force trim R/UP? (no other settings or boxes need to be ticked in any of the VPforce software) and the stick should actually shift (physically) to the new position? (this is just not happening with the stick often jumping further in the direction I am holding the stick towards before it goes back usually to the centre) is there another helicopter I could try where its been implemented?- for the gunfire will check I dont have unlimited ammo selected - also does the slider being purple mean the effect is just not active currently or that with the aircraft curently selected its not been implemented? (for the aircraft I have tried its selectable - but always appear purple) - with only 5 or 6 of the effects appearing in green......

Mmac22443506 ok understood - so for the force trim question the correct button to map in DCS ...

Fr4Ged•3/24/24, 10:22 PM

yeah, for the apache it is trim up and it should force trim the stick into its new position.
it works for every helicopter I have tested so far. make sure to set force feedback active in the general settings of DCS as well.
maybe your base settings in the VPforce software are too weak to keep the real stick in position? not sure. I am new to the Rhino as well.
green bars show the active effect in TelemFFB, yeah.

Mmac22443506 ok understood - so for the force trim question the correct button to map in DCS ...

sydost•3/24/24, 10:47 PM

Also make sure that you don’t have any curves set up in DCS for the joystick. Curves make force trim work all wonky.

FFr4Ged yeah, for the apache it is trim up and it should force trim the stick into its n...

mac22443506OP•3/25/24, 12:28 AM

thanks - actually for the gun effect had ammo unlimited on so it now works - still struggling with the force trim (and FFB is enabled in the options) - however see the post below - do actually have some curves set.....

Ssydost Also make sure that you don’t have any curves set up in DCS for the joystick. Cu...

mac22443506OP•3/25/24, 12:29 AM

actually for some of them definetly have some curves set - do you mean set them all back to default (straight line) with no deadzones might help?

Mmac22443506 actually for some of them definetly have some curves set - do you mean set them ...

Number481•3/25/24, 12:35 AM

Yes, axis curves and FFB do not get along at all.

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NNumber481 Yes, axis curves and FFB do not get along at all.

mac22443506OP•3/25/24, 12:37 PM

so for the apache reset the curves and its feeling much better! with the force trim now working (confirmed by keeping the joystick position box open on the monitor next to me - just wondering how I can bring up the DCS joystick position monitor in game?) - only issue I had was when I then moved onto test some fixed wing aircraft (p51 and spitfire) the stick centre seemed off, the stick sometime drifted down and ffb on the aircraft didn't feel right (note I corrected the DCS curve on these aircraft vut didnt seem to help) also tried restarting the software and something still didnt feel right in the FFB - didnt have time to test but guessing it might be necessary to power down the base between flights (to reset everything) or might these planes need completely different settings in the VPforce software for the FFB to feel right?

walmis•3/25/24, 12:41 PM

Center drift is normal on non-FBW aircraft, for example F-14 center pos noticeably drifts with AoA and different airspeed

walmis•3/25/24, 12:42 PM

There's no need to restart the base on every flight, DCS does a good job of resetting it's effects

Mmac22443506 so for the apache reset the curves and its feeling much better! with the force t...

Fr4Ged•3/25/24, 12:57 PM

RCtrl+Enter is the command to display the joystick position in game

Mmac22443506 so for the apache reset the curves and its feeling much better! with the force t...

SwiftVengeance•3/25/24, 3:58 PM

Curves are broken in dcs, they dont apply to ffb so the position mismatch. Also you should have enough precision to avoid curves if you use a stick extension

Mmac22443506 so for the apache reset the curves and its feeling much better! with the force t...

SwiftVengeance•3/25/24, 3:59 PM

Center will drift depending on triming and wind. When you have high airspeed Centering should strengthen to trim position.

Teeks•3/25/24, 4:00 PM

is there an equivalent curves setting for the stick outside of dcs?

Teeks•3/25/24, 4:01 PM

or more importantly for me, the saturation level

Fierce_Fire•3/25/24, 4:05 PM

you can set something akin to curves in the software

Fierce_Fire•3/25/24, 4:05 PM

but personally ive never used it

SwiftVengeance•3/25/24, 4:05 PM

Yes, there should be for normal axis. Or ffb the software of your stick needs to support it but in theory with high end stick like the rhino, laserwing or ffbeast the curves are unnecessary

Teeks•3/25/24, 4:06 PM

cool. I dont use curves, but I do reduce the saturation on the gazelle and AH64 just to give me a bitmore finesse

SwiftVengeance•3/25/24, 4:06 PM

Ah, so you limit travel?

Teeks•3/25/24, 4:06 PM

Yeah

Teeks•3/25/24, 4:07 PM

I dont need full deflection really

SwiftVengeance•3/25/24, 4:07 PM

Thats kind of like similar but instead of altering the axis linearity you alter the deflection

Fierce_Fire•3/25/24, 4:07 PM

for helis ffb changes the game entirely

Fierce_Fire•3/25/24, 4:07 PM

dont really need a curve at all

SwiftVengeance•3/25/24, 4:07 PM

Or even saturation

Teeks•3/25/24, 4:08 PM

thats what Im hoping

really in the same position - just trying to get force trim to work with the AH64 - have the force t

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