really don't know on the force trim issue.. that has not to do with TelemFFB.. its all DirectX FFB

really don't know on the force trim issue.. that has not to do with TelemFFB.. its all DirectX FFB betwen DCS and the Rhino. as long as you have the "instant" option picked in the 64's special settings, when you push and hold the TR, the spring force on the rhino should go away... when you release the TR button, the spring will return with the center at the new position.

For the gunfire... if you are feeling other effects (engine/rotor/ground/stall, etc).. make sure you don't have unlimited ammo enabled. When its enabled, the ammo quantity never changes and Telem doesn't know your firing a weapon.

A green slider indicates that the effect which is controlled by that slider is active

ITBERYAN•3/24/24, 7:48 PM

Hey all, I'm "semi" new in the flight sim world, been playing DCS for the better part of 8 months maybe now and was wondering.
This FFB stick, will it make a big difference for me in the F-14? I'm aware it doesn't have Fly By Wire so it probably would make a big change, but the videos I've seen have been people flying choppers or Prop Planes

ITBERYAN•3/24/24, 7:49 PM

I'm in no right state to purchase one just yet, so very much window shopping lol, but I dream of one day having an extreme immersion setup

IITBERYAN Hey all, I'm "semi" new in the flight sim world, been playing DCS for the better...

Fierce_Fire•3/24/24, 8:04 PM

from what i heard the f14 has close to if not the best ffb implementation of all the modules

FFierce_Fire from what i heard the f14 has close to if not the best ffb implementation of all...

ITBERYAN•3/24/24, 8:04 PM

Looks like I'm on the right track then lol

IITBERYAN Hey all, I'm "semi" new in the flight sim world, been playing DCS for the better...

Red Magic•3/24/24, 8:11 PM

Mostly in shake effects and stick resistance when pulling G I think. F-4 sounds like it'll be pretty much the same

NNumber481 really don't know on the force trim issue.. that has not to do with TelemFFB.. ...

mac22443506•3/24/24, 9:00 PM

ok understood - so for the force trim question the correct button to map in DCS is force trim R/UP? (no other settings or boxes need to be ticked in any of the VPforce software) and the stick should actually shift (physically) to the new position? (this is just not happening with the stick often jumping further in the direction I am holding the stick towards before it goes back usually to the centre) is there another helicopter I could try where its been implemented?- for the gunfire will check I dont have unlimited ammo selected - also does the slider being purple mean the effect is just not active currently or that with the aircraft curently selected its not been implemented? (for the aircraft I have tried its selectable - but always appear purple) - with only 5 or 6 of the effects appearing in green......

Mmac22443506 ok understood - so for the force trim question the correct button to map in DCS ...

Fr4Ged•3/24/24, 10:22 PM

yeah, for the apache it is trim up and it should force trim the stick into its new position.
it works for every helicopter I have tested so far. make sure to set force feedback active in the general settings of DCS as well.
maybe your base settings in the VPforce software are too weak to keep the real stick in position? not sure. I am new to the Rhino as well.
green bars show the active effect in TelemFFB, yeah.

Mmac22443506 ok understood - so for the force trim question the correct button to map in DCS ...

sydost•3/24/24, 10:47 PM

Also make sure that you don’t have any curves set up in DCS for the joystick. Curves make force trim work all wonky.

FFr4Ged yeah, for the apache it is trim up and it should force trim the stick into its n...

mac22443506•3/25/24, 12:28 AM

thanks - actually for the gun effect had ammo unlimited on so it now works - still struggling with the force trim (and FFB is enabled in the options) - however see the post below - do actually have some curves set.....

Ssydost Also make sure that you don’t have any curves set up in DCS for the joystick. Cu...

mac22443506•3/25/24, 12:29 AM

actually for some of them definetly have some curves set - do you mean set them all back to default (straight line) with no deadzones might help?

Mmac22443506 actually for some of them definetly have some curves set - do you mean set them ...

Number481OP•3/25/24, 12:35 AM

Yes, axis curves and FFB do not get along at all.

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NNumber481 Yes, axis curves and FFB do not get along at all.

mac22443506•3/25/24, 12:37 PM

so for the apache reset the curves and its feeling much better! with the force trim now working (confirmed by keeping the joystick position box open on the monitor next to me - just wondering how I can bring up the DCS joystick position monitor in game?) - only issue I had was when I then moved onto test some fixed wing aircraft (p51 and spitfire) the stick centre seemed off, the stick sometime drifted down and ffb on the aircraft didn't feel right (note I corrected the DCS curve on these aircraft vut didnt seem to help) also tried restarting the software and something still didnt feel right in the FFB - didnt have time to test but guessing it might be necessary to power down the base between flights (to reset everything) or might these planes need completely different settings in the VPforce software for the FFB to feel right?

walmis•3/25/24, 12:41 PM

Center drift is normal on non-FBW aircraft, for example F-14 center pos noticeably drifts with AoA and different airspeed

walmis•3/25/24, 12:42 PM

There's no need to restart the base on every flight, DCS does a good job of resetting it's effects

Mmac22443506 so for the apache reset the curves and its feeling much better! with the force t...

Fr4Ged•3/25/24, 12:57 PM

RCtrl+Enter is the command to display the joystick position in game

Mmac22443506 so for the apache reset the curves and its feeling much better! with the force t...

SwiftVengeance•3/25/24, 3:58 PM

Curves are broken in dcs, they dont apply to ffb so the position mismatch. Also you should have enough precision to avoid curves if you use a stick extension

Mmac22443506 so for the apache reset the curves and its feeling much better! with the force t...

SwiftVengeance•3/25/24, 3:59 PM

Center will drift depending on triming and wind. When you have high airspeed Centering should strengthen to trim position.

Teeks•3/25/24, 4:00 PM

is there an equivalent curves setting for the stick outside of dcs?

Teeks•3/25/24, 4:01 PM

or more importantly for me, the saturation level

Fierce_Fire•3/25/24, 4:05 PM

you can set something akin to curves in the software

Fierce_Fire•3/25/24, 4:05 PM

but personally ive never used it

SwiftVengeance•3/25/24, 4:05 PM

Yes, there should be for normal axis. Or ffb the software of your stick needs to support it but in theory with high end stick like the rhino, laserwing or ffbeast the curves are unnecessary

Teeks•3/25/24, 4:06 PM

cool. I dont use curves, but I do reduce the saturation on the gazelle and AH64 just to give me a bitmore finesse

SwiftVengeance•3/25/24, 4:06 PM

Ah, so you limit travel?

Teeks•3/25/24, 4:06 PM

Yeah

Teeks•3/25/24, 4:07 PM

I dont need full deflection really

SwiftVengeance•3/25/24, 4:07 PM

Thats kind of like similar but instead of altering the axis linearity you alter the deflection

Fierce_Fire•3/25/24, 4:07 PM

for helis ffb changes the game entirely

Fierce_Fire•3/25/24, 4:07 PM

dont really need a curve at all

SwiftVengeance•3/25/24, 4:07 PM

Or even saturation

Teeks•3/25/24, 4:08 PM

thats what Im hoping

Teeks•3/25/24, 4:08 PM

im running a CM3 base with no springs and clutch, works well but Im sure the Rhino will be better

SwiftVengeance•3/25/24, 4:08 PM

Yeah hehe

SwiftVengeance•3/25/24, 4:09 PM

Are you running the cm3 with extension

SwiftVengeance•3/25/24, 4:09 PM

And is the stick positioned just above your legs

SwiftVengeance•3/25/24, 4:11 PM

FFB helps but having good ergonomics helps way more

TTeeks im running a CM3 base with no springs and clutch, works well but Im sure the Rhi...

Fierce_Fire•3/25/24, 4:11 PM

dont worry, it is. Havent used the cm3 so cant comment on the feel personally but heard the rhino is better, and actual ffb trim is amazing

Teeks•3/25/24, 4:11 PM

running the 20cm extension with the T50, it sits a little bit too high

SwiftVengeance•3/25/24, 4:12 PM

Where does it sit

Teeks•3/25/24, 4:12 PM

between my legs, but my arm doesnt rest on my leg, so I think its a bit too high. its perfectly comfortable, but I'd prefer it a little lower

SwiftVengeance•3/25/24, 4:12 PM

You should be able to rest your wrist on your legs while flyng and just control the stick with finger tips

SwiftVengeance•3/25/24, 4:15 PM

Its really important. Not only stopping your hand from tiring and leaning on the stick but to give it a reference point. Its a lot harder to control your whole arm precisely in air then it is a small portion of your hand

Teeks•3/25/24, 4:16 PM

Aye, Im sure it'll make things a lot more precise

Teeks•3/25/24, 4:17 PM

I've held off fixing it til now. Next up is a DOF reality H3 !

really don't know on the force trim issue.. that has not to do with TelemFFB.. its all DirectX FFB

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