I am planning to build a base. Now I have some nice DIY grips attached to a MS FFB2. Can I use these

I am planning to build a base. Now I have some nice DIY grips attached to a MS FFB2. Can I use these grips a VPforce base? They have 74HC165N shift registers wired to arduino pro micro with mmjoy software. Can the Rhino FFB software interface with these?

FlatSpin•3/24/24, 10:38 PM

"the generic grip profile works with CD4021s, up to 4 in series I think, so 32 buttons."

FlatSpin•3/24/24, 10:39 PM

Walmis sells a shift register board

SSeven I am planning to build a base. Now I have some nice DIY grips attached to a MS F...

TheAmazinGreat•3/24/24, 11:24 PM

I believe you will just need an inverter on the latch/CS of the 74HC165N to make them work like a CD4021 for the VPForce board.

BBAKE does anyone know the current settings for the 86bfl04 motors?

BAKE•3/24/24, 11:39 PM

Nvm.
I found it I think.
4 amps per phase.
14 amps rated
38 amps peak.

RotorRick•3/25/24, 4:17 PM

So I am finally getting close to getting my FFB base. I see 2 choices for Grip adapters, Virpil and Winwing. Does anyone know if there is a plain old B8 Style grip that would work? Ideally buying an adapter from Vforce to save time and energy!

Skood•3/25/24, 5:05 PM

Virpil WarBRD grip is probably your best option for B8 style and doesn't require an adaptor. It doesn't have a paddle lever so if you want that then you need to step up to a higher spec grip or get the VKB KG12 which would require an adaptor. https://virpil-controls.eu/vpc-warbrd-grip.html

VPC WarBRD Grip

★ Perfect Match for the VPC WarBRD Base
★ Programmable LED Lighting
★ Available with Optional Lockable All-Metal Twist Axis Mechanism, or with a Fixed Grip Stock
★ Compatible with all VPC Bases

Tazz•3/25/24, 9:07 PM

Is there a way to remove/delete a button press on a Virpil T-50CM2 grip in VPforce Configurator? I'd like to remove the button press on the brake lever so it functions as an axis only.

Number481•3/25/24, 9:13 PM

you could try remapping the the button to something like '99' in the button mapping tab

Kowalsky•3/25/24, 11:31 PM

Hey @walmis I have issue with my WW Adapter (Order Number: 757) I just got today my DYI Rhino, in setup all was working fine, buttons and axis recognized. Then after one ca 40min flight for getting feel of the settings, when I was flaring on landing, suddenly random buttons from my stick were getting activated. I thought that maybe stick and adapter connection got loose but after reseating it, I don't have any response or button/axis recognition. My F-16EX is working fine on Orion 2 base, debug tab shows FFFF (found how to debug grip). I took it apart to check for possible damage or cracks in connection but all is well. One think is that its getting very hot very fast, like 10-15second and I can't touch it...

Kowalsky•3/25/24, 11:49 PM

Kowalsky•3/26/24, 12:00 AM

I've done diode test on 5 pins connector, red point on GND -> checking rest with black point - nothing

KKowalsky I've done diode test on 5 pins connector, red point on GND -> checking rest with...

PiNKSH!T•3/26/24, 12:25 AM

hey m8, Walmis might give you a better answer, but on my WW adapter I needed to push the pins out a little further for a propper connection, not sure if this will help you & obviously it's bettwe to hear from Walmis

KKowalsky Hey @walmis I have issue with my WW Adapter (Order Number: 757) I just got today...

walmis•3/26/24, 6:08 AM

Yeah, sounds like something's not right. I'll mail you a replacement electronic board.

PPiNKSH!T hey m8, Walmis might give you a better answer, but on my WW adapter I needed to ...

Kowalsky•3/26/24, 8:55 AM

Hey Pink, thanks for help. I think the connection is ok as adapter is getting burning hot in like 10seconds. I tried wiggling it a bit and reseated multiple times but no change

KKowalsky Hey Pink, thanks for help. I think the connection is ok as adapter is getting bu...

PiNKSH!T•3/26/24, 9:37 AM

no worries m8, I knew Walmis would be able to sort it out for you.

Wwalmis Yeah, sounds like something's not right. I'll mail you a replacement electronic ...

Kowalsky•3/26/24, 10:35 AM

Thanks! I,ve just checked base with thrustmaster grip and it's working fine. Buttons are beeing recognized

bert•3/26/24, 2:52 PM

Huh, i got the Virpil Constellation Alpha Grip, and its LED just randomly illuminated in white, full brightness. Went back to off after replugging the USB, got a DIY base. Should i be worried?

Got the Virpil Link Tool running with LED profiles for Panels and Throttle, but it shouldn't be able to talk to the Rhino..

walmis•3/26/24, 3:10 PM

I don't know exactly what signal Virpil uses to piggyback LED data on the SPI data lines, but yeah, during testing I've managed to illuminate mine too randomly. You can ignore it.

Andre•3/26/24, 3:54 PM

I have a quick question about the VKB adapter. I can't see where I can connect it to the base other than just screwing it in. I don't see anywhere to plug it in. Am I missing something?

AndyHill•3/26/24, 3:57 PM

you need a black box to connect to

AndyHill•3/26/24, 3:58 PM

there is no electrical connection between the base and the adapter, the wire that comes out of the adapter goes to a black box

Panny•3/26/24, 5:12 PM

@walmis Just want to say the new wire arrived - all works as expected now!

AAndyHill you need a black box to connect to

Andre•3/26/24, 6:26 PM

which black box are you referring to? Is this something that I have to order separately?

AndyHill•3/26/24, 6:28 PM

if you don't have one already, you'll need one of these (the black one I think): https://flightsimcontrols.com/product/vkb-main-controller-blackbox-stand-alone/

VKB FSC Europe

VKB Main Controller (BlackBox) Stand-Alone

AndyHill•3/26/24, 6:29 PM

if you have bought vkb controller systems before you should already have one, but probably not if you just got the grip

Spelljammer1•3/28/24, 12:57 AM

SpaceMonkey seems to have an impressive library of games it can get telemetry data from. Would it be possible to somehow interface that with TelemFFB or regular VPForce DirectInput functionality?

Here's the link:
https://github.com/PHARTGAMES/SpaceMonkey

GitHub

GitHub - PHARTGAMES/SpaceMonkey

Contribute to PHARTGAMES/SpaceMonkey development by creating an account on GitHub.

ToreDL87•3/29/24, 1:09 AM

Any reason the Rhino might suddenly whack itself full negative elevator and roll left and turn off its motors when entering the aircraft on the airstrip in IL-2?
Calibration went completely out of whack too. Had to exit absolutely everything I was doing, all the VPForce software, unplug the stick (both power supply & USB), replug the stick, restart the Configurator and calibrate the stick again.

ToreDL87•3/29/24, 1:12 AM

It kinda randomly does stuff like that, (which is to mean, tries to foreversleep itself with violent moves when just entering the mission).

TToreDL87 It kinda randomly does stuff like that, (which is to mean, tries to foreversleep...

Col. Sanders•3/29/24, 1:15 AM

I have noticed that after crashing when you load into the next mission the stick wants to behave like you have just crashed. Takes a second to recognize the new position.

ToreDL87•3/29/24, 1:19 AM

Right, yeah, not ideal. Kinda wish crashes weren't emulated in the FFB Telemetry, in the interest of not destroying an expensive piece of hardware

Col. Sanders•3/29/24, 1:28 AM

I just considered it workout trying to hold it steady

TToreDL87 Any reason the Rhino might suddenly whack itself full negative elevator and roll...

Number481•3/29/24, 2:19 AM

using TelemFFB? There's an elevator droop effect that will pull your stick forward when not moving on the ground.. but it wouldn't 'slam' the stick unless you had the effect turned up super high.

As for the motors going into fault protection, check your inertia and friction settings in configurator. I find too much friction or inertia, specifically with IL2 will often cause motor fault protections to occur.

BTW, if you do get a motor shut down, you can usually recover by using the Reset MotorsReset Motors button on the debug tab in VPForce Configurator

NNumber481 using TelemFFB? There's an elevator droop effect that will pull your stick forw...

ToreDL87•3/29/24, 2:25 AM

Using TelemFFB indeed. That effect has to be adjusted in TelemFFB config or in Configurator?
I'll dial back inertia and friction settings, and I'll remember the Reset Motors button

Thanks for chiming in, much appreciated

Number481•3/29/24, 2:29 AM

The droop effect is in TelemFFB. You can reduce the intensity or even turn it off, but while that may be part of the cause, it’s more likely a symptom of something else (like inertia/friction).

Also check your periodic effects slider in VPForce configurator. All the default effect intensities in TelemFFB for things like gunfire/engine are based on having the periodics slider at %50.

Constant force effects like elevator droop are based on the Constant effect slider at %100.

Burners | J-Dads•3/29/24, 5:49 AM

Hi. I’ve ordered my RHINO with mounting plate and VKB adapter. Closer to shipping time will it be possible to add the physical throw limiters as I suspect I will need them?

BBurners | J-Dads Hi. I’ve ordered my RHINO with mounting plate and VKB adapter. Closer to shippin...

Skood•3/29/24, 7:09 AM

Yes, when you are down to last 20 or so you’ll get prompted to update your order for the final invoice.

TToreDL87 Any reason the Rhino might suddenly whack itself full negative elevator and roll...

walmis•3/29/24, 7:23 AM

Can you share a screenshot of the configurator settings panel? You mentioned the calibration went out of whack, which is a bit sus. Maybe the belt slipped, can you check the tension?

mac22443506•3/29/24, 11:19 AM

help! - my rhino has started behaving erratically - main 2 issues are sometimes when I start it up am getting a zero value on the ibus (stick remains limp) - then when it starts working strangely my left and right axis seem to be reversed (the little blue circle when I push the stick right moves left!) previously it was moving the same way as the stick - what would you suggest and is there any way to do a reset?

mac22443506•3/29/24, 11:21 AM

(note also when I start DCS (AH64) to test it with the reversed axis things don't feel right the force trim button works but the stick does not assume the new position)

Mmac22443506 help! - my rhino has started behaving erratically - main 2 issues are sometimes ...

walmis•3/29/24, 12:00 PM

Sounds like your calibration/configuration got reset - probably by accident.

walmis•3/29/24, 12:05 PM

Import the default Rhino config included with the configurator (in 'configs' folder), tick the invert X axis in the configurator and do the auto calibration.

Wwalmis Import the default Rhino config included with the configurator (in 'configs' fol...

mac22443506•3/29/24, 12:15 PM

Ok will give it a try - by invert the x u mean in the FFB axes setup box bottom of the settings page?

mac22443506•3/29/24, 12:19 PM

Just did it and the axis has now reversed - but stick has gone limp and ibus value has dropped off to zero again?

walmis•3/29/24, 12:43 PM

Can you show your settings?

mac22443506•3/29/24, 1:28 PM

Strangely the ibus has now come back (around 0.7A from zero) and stick is now working again! (Not sure if it’s intermittent issue)- no idea what’s causing the behaviour…..

mac22443506•3/29/24, 1:28 PM

By settings do you mean the sliders along the top?

walmis•3/29/24, 1:29 PM

screenshots of the configurator with effects/settings tabs open

mac22443506•3/29/24, 1:32 PM

mac22443506•3/29/24, 1:34 PM

See above - seems to be working though for the Moment - issue seems to be the ibus value sometimes sitting at zero (will test some more)

walmis•3/29/24, 1:35 PM

Once you start DCS it's normal for it go limp until you start a flight.

Can you grab with everything in view? Win+Shift+S for windows snip tool vs pictures with your phone

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