Any reason the Rhino might suddenly whack itself full negative elevator and roll left and turn off i

Any reason the Rhino might suddenly whack itself full negative elevator and roll left and turn off its motors when entering the aircraft on the airstrip in IL-2?
Calibration went completely out of whack too. Had to exit absolutely everything I was doing, all the VPForce software, unplug the stick (both power supply & USB), replug the stick, restart the Configurator and calibrate the stick again.

ToreDL87OP•3/29/24, 1:12 AM

It kinda randomly does stuff like that, (which is to mean, tries to foreversleep itself with violent moves when just entering the mission).

TToreDL87 It kinda randomly does stuff like that, (which is to mean, tries to foreversleep...

Col. Sanders•3/29/24, 1:15 AM

I have noticed that after crashing when you load into the next mission the stick wants to behave like you have just crashed. Takes a second to recognize the new position.

ToreDL87OP•3/29/24, 1:19 AM

Right, yeah, not ideal. Kinda wish crashes weren't emulated in the FFB Telemetry, in the interest of not destroying an expensive piece of hardware

Col. Sanders•3/29/24, 1:28 AM

I just considered it workout trying to hold it steady

TToreDL87 Any reason the Rhino might suddenly whack itself full negative elevator and roll...

Number481•3/29/24, 2:19 AM

using TelemFFB? There's an elevator droop effect that will pull your stick forward when not moving on the ground.. but it wouldn't 'slam' the stick unless you had the effect turned up super high.

As for the motors going into fault protection, check your inertia and friction settings in configurator. I find too much friction or inertia, specifically with IL2 will often cause motor fault protections to occur.

BTW, if you do get a motor shut down, you can usually recover by using the

Reset Motors

Reset Motors

button on the debug tab in VPForce Configurator

NNumber481 using TelemFFB? There's an elevator droop effect that will pull your stick forw...

ToreDL87OP•3/29/24, 2:25 AM

Using TelemFFB indeed. That effect has to be adjusted in TelemFFB config or in Configurator?
I'll dial back inertia and friction settings, and I'll remember the Reset Motors button

Thanks for chiming in, much appreciated

Number481•3/29/24, 2:29 AM

The droop effect is in TelemFFB. You can reduce the intensity or even turn it off, but while that may be part of the cause, it’s more likely a symptom of something else (like inertia/friction).

Also check your periodic effects slider in VPForce configurator. All the default effect intensities in TelemFFB for things like gunfire/engine are based on having the periodics slider at %50.

Constant force effects like elevator droop are based on the Constant effect slider at %100.

Burners | J-Dads•3/29/24, 5:49 AM

Hi. I’ve ordered my RHINO with mounting plate and VKB adapter. Closer to shipping time will it be possible to add the physical throw limiters as I suspect I will need them?

BBurners | J-Dads Hi. I’ve ordered my RHINO with mounting plate and VKB adapter. Closer to shippin...

Skood•3/29/24, 7:09 AM

Yes, when you are down to last 20 or so you’ll get prompted to update your order for the final invoice.

TToreDL87 Any reason the Rhino might suddenly whack itself full negative elevator and roll...

walmis•3/29/24, 7:23 AM

Can you share a screenshot of the configurator settings panel? You mentioned the calibration went out of whack, which is a bit sus. Maybe the belt slipped, can you check the tension?

mac22443506•3/29/24, 11:19 AM

help! - my rhino has started behaving erratically - main 2 issues are sometimes when I start it up am getting a zero value on the ibus (stick remains limp) - then when it starts working strangely my left and right axis seem to be reversed (the little blue circle when I push the stick right moves left!) previously it was moving the same way as the stick - what would you suggest and is there any way to do a reset?

mac22443506•3/29/24, 11:21 AM

(note also when I start DCS (AH64) to test it with the reversed axis things don't feel right the force trim button works but the stick does not assume the new position)

Mmac22443506 help! - my rhino has started behaving erratically - main 2 issues are sometimes ...

walmis•3/29/24, 12:00 PM

Sounds like your calibration/configuration got reset - probably by accident.

walmis•3/29/24, 12:05 PM

Import the default Rhino config included with the configurator (in 'configs' folder), tick the invert X axis in the configurator and do the auto calibration.

Wwalmis Import the default Rhino config included with the configurator (in 'configs' fol...

mac22443506•3/29/24, 12:15 PM

Ok will give it a try - by invert the x u mean in the FFB axes setup box bottom of the settings page?

mac22443506•3/29/24, 12:19 PM

Just did it and the axis has now reversed - but stick has gone limp and ibus value has dropped off to zero again?

walmis•3/29/24, 12:43 PM

Can you show your settings?

mac22443506•3/29/24, 1:28 PM

Strangely the ibus has now come back (around 0.7A from zero) and stick is now working again! (Not sure if it’s intermittent issue)- no idea what’s causing the behaviour…..

mac22443506•3/29/24, 1:28 PM

By settings do you mean the sliders along the top?

walmis•3/29/24, 1:29 PM

screenshots of the configurator with effects/settings tabs open

mac22443506•3/29/24, 1:32 PM

mac22443506•3/29/24, 1:34 PM

See above - seems to be working though for the Moment - issue seems to be the ibus value sometimes sitting at zero (will test some more)

walmis•3/29/24, 1:35 PM

Once you start DCS it's normal for it go limp until you start a flight.

Can you grab with everything in view? Win+Shift+S for windows snip tool vs pictures with your phone

mac22443506•3/29/24, 1:38 PM

Yes aware of this behaviour on startup (assume when this happens i bus sets to zero?)

walmis•3/29/24, 1:38 PM

Ibus is not a good indicator, it's normally at zero when motors are idle

mac22443506•3/29/24, 1:39 PM

The issue I had was before Dcs was started stuck was limp….

walmis•3/29/24, 1:40 PM

Could be numerous things - maybe your master gain was at 0%?

walmis•3/29/24, 1:40 PM

Or maybe spring adjust pot was turned off.

mac22443506•3/29/24, 1:42 PM

Ok gain was definitely not zero - understood on the ibus - but when this happened the only noticeable thing that looked weird was the. Ibus was zero normally mine sits just above …

mac22443506•3/29/24, 1:42 PM

Not at my pc now but will do some more testing (and get a full screen when I am testing)

I/JG7_Moto•3/29/24, 2:52 PM

Sometimes in DCS flying warbirds in cruise , not moving the stick, I loose vibration for a sec or two and then a tiny movement of the stick gets it back, is there a way to solve this?

Wwalmis Could be numerous things - maybe your master gain was at 0%?

mac22443506•3/30/24, 12:08 AM

So have done some more testing since the recalibration and it’s working much better however found 1)everything seems to be working ok except in the ah64 couldn’t get the force trim to work correctly (can see from the stick monitor the stick centre is changing but the rhino does not seem to be moving to the new centre) 2)need to reset the FFB between planes in DCs for the FFB to work 3)unrelated to the above but my anti virus is picking up a virus on one of the Telem files qtcore.pyd ….

Knuck👨✈•3/30/24, 3:07 AM

how do I recenter the joystick in configurator? it shows the green centre circle to be sitting quite far forward, in that I need a lot of forward stick to fly level

KKnuck👨✈how do I recenter the joystick in configurator? it shows the green centre circle...

OZ67•3/30/24, 7:55 AM

in the effects tab setup hardware trim tick box then assign the buttons trim release / trim reset /trim up, down, left, right. Then put the stick where you want and press trim reset. Apply settings and store settings after each change you make to save the settings.

Fr4Ged•3/30/24, 10:39 AM

I don't think setting the trim buttons is necessary. afaik it is for sims that don't have native force trim support.
I'd just reset the motors or the config. calibrate the axes if you haven't done that before.
if you have used TelemFFB it might have got stuck there and you could reset the effect in there.

356thFS_Piranha•3/30/24, 3:37 PM

Which effect controls the stick when the landing gear is retracted and deployed? My stick shakes violently when the gear is deployed or retracted.

3356thFS_Piranha Which effect controls the stick when the landing gear is retracted and deployed?...

Number481•3/30/24, 3:56 PM

on which aircraft? If you look at the settings you will see these two.. neither should produce violent results unless maybe if your periodics gain was at %100.

Buffet is a rumble if the gear are deployed above the speed threshold, but has nothing to do with the gear moving
Motion is a high frequency vibration while the gear are in motion.

356thFS_Piranha•3/30/24, 3:59 PM

Thanks for the reply,

356thFS_Piranha•3/30/24, 3:59 PM

The problem is with all aircraft. I'll look into the buffeting

Fierce_Fire•3/30/24, 4:01 PM

there is also the one slider in the rhino configurator that governs all special effects

Fierce_Fire•3/30/24, 4:01 PM

forgot what its called but it covers stuff like gear, guns etc

Number481•3/30/24, 4:02 PM

thats the periodics gain I mentioned (in configurator)

Tinman•3/30/24, 9:52 PM

Just curios, can you upgrade the stock motors of the Rhino with the Nema34 variants? I take it it won't fit the stock case and/or the other parts need to be strengthened?

Fierce_Fire•3/30/24, 10:29 PM

Yeah just as you said, the sizes are very different, both the overall and axle size

Fierce_Fire•3/30/24, 10:29 PM

Strength I dont know but the blf04 puts out a ton of force so do with that what you will

Wwalmis Can you share a screenshot of the configurator settings panel? You mentioned the...

ToreDL87OP•3/31/24, 12:08 AM

I think this is what it was at.
Was under the impression that whatever the settings were at, they'd be safe enough, keeping in mind when I got the Rhino and installed everything, it was all at 0%

ToreDL87OP•3/31/24, 12:16 AM

Anything less than 80% Master gain and I personally just dont feel... much of any flight related queue's at all minus centering strength , a lot of the time I run it on 100% master gain too, that's more to do with me than the stick, and the stick has always been performing perfectly

When I was running TelemFFB for the first time in months was when it tried killing itself with instant up/left as I was spawning in, never had that happen before.
Wasn't ready for it so couldn't catch it, still had my hand on the mouse from clicking Fly button.

TToreDL87 Anything less than 80% Master gain and I personally just dont feel... much of a...

Number481•3/31/24, 1:15 PM

Depending on how your
Effects
Effects
tab is configured (since the settings sliders are factors of the effects tab values), those Damper/Inertia/Friction sliders are insanely high and will absolutely lead to instability and potential motor fault protection shutdowns, especially when there are effects like engine rumble and or elevator droop suddenly playing when you load into an aircraft.

NNumber481 *Depending on how your `Effects` tab is configured* (since the settings sliders ...

ToreDL87OP•3/31/24, 1:22 PM

That's kinda just it though, "depending on", not much explanation for any of the effects what they actually do in flight if I'm gonna be honest.

Not many shared setups available either and I've tried them and they all just feel way too... weak/vague.
I've been doing lots of hard manual work with pneumatic hammers etc with nerves not in best condition, I don't catch the minute FFB queue's like maybe someone who has had a safer working life would.

With nothing to go on I don't have much of a choice but turning everything up until it feels good and so far it's been great up until recent incident.

TToreDL87 That's kinda just it though, "depending on", not much explanation for any of the...

walmis•3/31/24, 2:25 PM

That problem only occurs in IL-2 and only with TelemFFB running ?

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