A quick question. If my sessions NEVER change after being created, would it be better to just stick

A quick question. If my sessions NEVER change after being created, would it be better to just stick with BetterKV and cache sessions permanently or should I still switch to D1?

x03OP•3/26/24, 4:48 PM

If a user agent or IP changes, I log the user out and require the creation of a new session

Jjersey yep, normally domain recognizes within 10 minutes

Chaika•3/26/24, 4:48 PM

What's the domain? It could be related to that incident which has been going on for 2 hours but could check it over anyway just to be sure nothing obvious is wrong

Iiamnotapipe thanks for juggling all these convos at once. when you fetch the DO, will it mov...

Chaika•3/26/24, 4:50 PM

They never move. So if it was created before in us-west, it would stay there. If it's a brand new DO (identified by name/id), it would be created closest to the requestor. You can pass it in a region hint too. They'd be copies of the same code yea, but with their own storage/location/memory/etc.
In some languages/concepts they're basically "actors".
You could create a Durable Object per game server, everyone connects and it fans out game messages/keeps game state. You could do it per session. Cloudflare uses Durable Objects per region to fan out Single URL Cache Purges, etc. Little instances of compute with storage that are globally consistent.

CChaika What's the domain? It could be related to that incident which has been going on ...

jersey•3/26/24, 4:50 PM

i got multiple domains, on whois nameservers are on the domains and everything seems fine, and it just happened like within this 2 hours, pretty sure its because the incident. friend also same problem

Jjersey i got multiple domains, on whois nameservers are on the domains and everything s...

Chaika•3/26/24, 4:54 PM

Yea, probably related if it's just within the last few hours.
I would just double check dnssec isn't the problem, and that you're not presetting the nameservers at your registrar before adding the domain. Cloudflare recently added it so if you preset the nameservers at your Registrar to your account's defaults, it will pick two new ones when you add it. As long as they're equal to the ones you see in your Cloudflare dash for that website you're good though.

CChaika Yea, probably related if it's just within the last few hours. I would just doubl...

jersey•3/26/24, 4:57 PM

the nameservers are equal, putting the domain first in cloudflare and then i copy the nameservers and put it in the registrar

jersey•3/26/24, 4:58 PM

also checked on whois, registrar and cloudflare, nameservers all are equal

jersey•3/26/24, 4:58 PM

and match the one on cloudflare

Chaika•3/26/24, 4:58 PM

Sounds good then! Yea, will just have to wait for that incident to be resolved and CF's ns checking to be back up, and should get an email about it being activated.

jersey•3/26/24, 4:59 PM

alright thanks! haha sorry for making this channel sort of support channel

Xx03 A quick question. If my sessions NEVER change after being created, would it be b...

Isaac McFadyen•3/26/24, 4:59 PM

Caching is never permanent, even with BetterKV.

Jjersey alright thanks! haha sorry for making this channel sort of support channel

Chaika•3/26/24, 4:59 PM

nah you're fine that's what this channel is for, products which don't have an explicit channel for them

Isaac McFadyen•3/26/24, 4:59 PM

The cache is a best-effort basis and is only valid for the same datacenter where it was cached.

Isaac McFadyen•3/26/24, 5:00 PM

That behavior is probably fine for you, since if you're checking on every request a user is likely to hit the same DC every request and so will hit the cache.

Iiamnotapipe thanks i will look into it a bit more and see if i can understand that where dur...

Chaika•3/26/24, 5:01 PM

It's just showing in which datacenter the Durable Object will end up in, if the user hits the one you've selected. colo = colocation, renting space in an existing DC, which roughly equals datacenter yea.
The dotted lines go to the place where the DO would be created.

IIsaac McFadyen That behavior is probably fine for you, since if you're checking on every reques...

x03OP•3/26/24, 5:01 PM

Makes sense. I guess I'll just stick with BetterKV until I swap over to D1 + cron jobs

x03OP•3/26/24, 5:02 PM

Are there any other caching / optimization tools that I can use with D1 or KV that could potentially save money?

x03OP•3/26/24, 5:02 PM

Besides doing rate limiting and designing the app in an efficient way

Iiamnotapipe do you have more info on betterkv? my first time hearing of it

Isaac McFadyen•3/26/24, 5:03 PM

https://flareutils.pages.dev/betterkv/

Iiamnotapipe do you have more info on betterkv? my first time hearing of it

x03OP•3/26/24, 5:03 PM

Mine as well, it seems super cool though

Xx03 Are there any other caching / optimization tools that I can use with D1 or KV th...

Isaac McFadyen•3/26/24, 5:04 PM

I'd recommend you wait until you actually see the amount of traffic you're getting to optimize further. At a certain point the amount of effort it takes to optimize things is a lot of work, work that might not even be needed if you see that the caching from BetterKV or otherwise is working well enough.

Iiamnotapipe ty. its meant to use caching to reduce reads if i understand correctly?

Isaac McFadyen•3/26/24, 5:05 PM

Yup, exactly.

IIsaac McFadyen I'd recommend you wait until you actually see the amount of traffic you're getti...

x03OP•3/26/24, 5:05 PM

Makes sense. Do cloudflare's analytic tools let me see traffic from specific KV namespaces? I have a "codes" table for email codes and "session" table for sessions. Also, can I analyze other things like D1 traffic and worker CPU times?

x03OP•3/26/24, 5:06 PM

I'd check but the dashboard wont work right now

Isaac McFadyen•3/26/24, 5:06 PM

I'll let someone else answer that as I haven't used the KV analytics much myself

x03OP•3/26/24, 5:06 PM

Ah alright

x03OP•3/26/24, 5:06 PM

Appreciate all of your help by the way

x03OP•3/26/24, 5:13 PM

I was looking at pricing, and is the pricing on the default page here: https://www.cloudflare.com/plans/ for pages? The prices are the same but there's two different sections which is confusing.

Our Plans | Pricing | Cloudflare

Discover which Cloudflare plan is correct for your requirements. Find out more about Cloudflare plan pricing and sign up for Cloudflare here!

Xx03 I was looking at pricing, and is the pricing on the default page here: https://w...

Walshy•3/26/24, 5:15 PM

Pages uses zone plan

Iiamnotapipe is pages relevant to anyone who doesnt use jamstack? i cant seem to figure out w...

Walshy•3/26/24, 5:16 PM

I mean if you host a site full stop then yes it's nice to use Pages, mainly for the free static asset requests

Pages does use Workers though as well so you get all the power of Workers. Just with the DX of Pages when it comes to hosting

As convergence happens though we'll see Workers morph more like Pages and pick up that DX until they're one product

WWalshy Pages uses zone plan

x03OP•3/26/24, 5:16 PM

So these two are not related?

Walshy•3/26/24, 5:17 PM

They're related in the sense that they're the same, not two diff plans

WWalshy They're related in the sense that they're the same, not two diff plans

x03OP•3/26/24, 5:17 PM

Oh okay, so if I buy the business plan I'll get features from both those screenshots

x03OP•3/26/24, 5:17 PM

I got confused because the feature pages dont overlap

Walshy•3/26/24, 5:17 PM

yes

x03OP•3/26/24, 5:17 PM

Like the first feature page does not mention concurrent builds, etc

x03OP•3/26/24, 5:18 PM

Alright thanks for clarifying

Walshy•3/26/24, 5:18 PM

yes first focuses on zone features, second on Pages

x03OP•3/26/24, 5:18 PM

Makes sense

Xx03 Makes sense. Do cloudflare's analytic tools let me see traffic from specific KV ...

Chaika•3/26/24, 5:18 PM

As far as I know you can't get KV analytics per namespace except size, no request stats.
D1 has really nice GraphQL Analytics and you can get all sorts of analytics per DB and even per query analytics
Worker CPU Time is through GraphQL as well

CChaika As far as I know you can't get KV analytics per namespace except size, no reques...

x03OP•3/26/24, 5:19 PM

Ah alright. I was looking into the new CF Logs feature, and might use that to track my KV requests.

x03OP•3/26/24, 5:19 PM

Still havent checked the pricing for log push though

Chaika•3/26/24, 5:19 PM

Enterprise

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